These things happened hours apart. And many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel. After today I won’t be surprised when we start getting people in here who think Iran fired for no reason and Israel hasn’t invaded Lebanon. It was an absolute failure of news media.
Yeah I’m just mad because they know the timing matters. They know the words they use matter. We’ve heard them talk about this exact kind of failing in the Iraq war and covering Trump. And now we’re right back there again, breathlessly repeating the administration and their ally. Calling it a “limited ground operation”. They know that first impression matters and there’s a whole group of people who now think Israel got rocketed for terrorist hunting.
It’s called moving the goalposts. You called out their Bs claim, so they just threw out another one.
Anyone can go and listen to npr up first. The title for yesterday includes “Israel escalates in Lebanon” and then today they point to Israel vowing repercussions for Iran. In the podcast itself, they talk about how this was almost certainly retaliation for the killing for the Hezbollah leader.
This whole idea that the whole of western media is ignoring what Israel is typical of the false Bs pushed by the op.
You realize this fits the exact outline I’ve laid out?
Your main claims were the all of the headlines “about how scary Iran is” (the fact that it was a headline about Israel escalating and Israel vowing repercussions) and “many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel” (and the short story in NPR was about why they were retaliating). It directly contradicts it, using one of the most popular and prominent US news organizations.
And no. I haven’t moved any goalposts.
Your original argument was that there were no headlines, which the other poster challenged. . .you then went not to say that the stories didn’t give information about why they retaliated. It’s absolutely a clear case of moving the goal posts.
Attempting to gaslighting me won’t work, sorry. We’ve had too many interactions before for me not to be on the lookout for disingenuous positions.
It’s not gaslighting, it’s two people talking about the news environment they experienced yesterday morning. You’re the one trying to make it awkward and accusing people of operating in bad faith. I know what I saw and you’re not going to bully me into having seen what you say was there.
You made two major claims, in defense of the meme: all the headlines are about how scary Iran is (I demonstrated this to be incorrect), and that none of the brief stories explained why Iran retaliated (I demonstrated this to be incorrect). Your response should have been “wow, I guess I was wrong” instead of what it was (effectively) “the proof you just provided that obviously prove my claims incorrect actually is exactly what I said.” This is straight up gaslighting.
These things happened hours apart. And many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel. After today I won’t be surprised when we start getting people in here who think Iran fired for no reason and Israel hasn’t invaded Lebanon. It was an absolute failure of news media.
I’m not defending the media by any stretch, just that both events got some coverage.
Yeah I’m just mad because they know the timing matters. They know the words they use matter. We’ve heard them talk about this exact kind of failing in the Iraq war and covering Trump. And now we’re right back there again, breathlessly repeating the administration and their ally. Calling it a “limited ground operation”. They know that first impression matters and there’s a whole group of people who now think Israel got rocketed for terrorist hunting.
It’s called moving the goalposts. You called out their Bs claim, so they just threw out another one.
Anyone can go and listen to npr up first. The title for yesterday includes “Israel escalates in Lebanon” and then today they point to Israel vowing repercussions for Iran. In the podcast itself, they talk about how this was almost certainly retaliation for the killing for the Hezbollah leader.
This whole idea that the whole of western media is ignoring what Israel is typical of the false Bs pushed by the op.
Hey, how dare you oppose my blatant false pretense with facts that are verifiable!
-Ozma before he downvoted you
So it’s an “escalation” and retaliation for something else entirely.
You realize this fits the exact outline I’ve laid out? Anything to avoid pointing out Israel has invaded the sovereign territory of another country.
And no. I haven’t moved any goalposts.
Your main claims were the all of the headlines “about how scary Iran is” (the fact that it was a headline about Israel escalating and Israel vowing repercussions) and “many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel” (and the short story in NPR was about why they were retaliating). It directly contradicts it, using one of the most popular and prominent US news organizations.
Your original argument was that there were no headlines, which the other poster challenged. . .you then went not to say that the stories didn’t give information about why they retaliated. It’s absolutely a clear case of moving the goal posts.
Attempting to gaslighting me won’t work, sorry. We’ve had too many interactions before for me not to be on the lookout for disingenuous positions.
It’s not gaslighting, it’s two people talking about the news environment they experienced yesterday morning. You’re the one trying to make it awkward and accusing people of operating in bad faith. I know what I saw and you’re not going to bully me into having seen what you say was there.
You made two major claims, in defense of the meme: all the headlines are about how scary Iran is (I demonstrated this to be incorrect), and that none of the brief stories explained why Iran retaliated (I demonstrated this to be incorrect). Your response should have been “wow, I guess I was wrong” instead of what it was (effectively) “the proof you just provided that obviously prove my claims incorrect actually is exactly what I said.” This is straight up gaslighting.
How nice of you to put words in my mouth. I don’t need them though, I have plenty of my own. Go harass someone else.
You responded to me first and now you’re claiming I’m harassing you? Holy shit, does the gaslighting know no depths? Lol
But good on your for avoiding all the points. If ever you want to actually address them, feel free. I’ll be here.