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    Remember, streaming only has a business model as long as it has a better user experience than piracy. That’s why iTunes took off in the era of Napster. When a streaming service’s user experience drops below that of digging up pirate treasure off a shitty ad-ridden torrent site, that service is not long for the world.

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    Digital goods are just not physical goods, you don’t really own them - which also mean you can’t really steal them.

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    Every day on the internet, a lucky 10,000 get to learn “common knowledge” for the very first time.

    Like everyone said 50 times, yar har be pirate, all that.

    Or, buy hard copy, which is refusing to completely die because of this shit, right here.

    BUT, you have to make sure the data is on the hard copy and that you can access the data (play the songs, watch the movie, etc) WITHOUT internet access, that is you have to make sure the hard copy of the media is really on the damn disc, and it’s not just a glorified access key to media that will then be streamed from their servers they control. If it is then do not pay for it.

    This is honestly why vinyl is still a thing, once you rip things back out of the digital realm it gets a lot harder for them to pull bullshit, they pretty much have to put the songs on the wax if they want your $40, and they do, oh boy they do they want that money bad.

    Piracy is always a bigger pain in the ass than internet techies act like. No, I don’t want to buy a Plex server and learn how to use it and learn how to make my own VPN and make sure the VPN doesn’t just report my activity to 7 Eyes or whatever that things called and and and and, and results like “my movie got unbought” are also unacceptable.

    Yes, we know, there are “special” websites that you can just surf to and it’s like a janky Netflix that “just works” so long as you already know the name of the thing you intend to watch, otherwise it’s just a blank search bar. Also, you cannot tell other people about the website or the website gets taken down. Nothing is more useful than a website that you absolutely can’t tell people about, wow, what a problem solver that is.

    “I want to watch a movie” is a very “This activity must offer zero friction, I will only accept push button get movie” kind of activity so, yeah. “Be pirate” is not that useful, it’s just the internet’s go-to answer, they always speak loudly for the tiny minority in this place.

    What we’re actually doing is drastically limiting our spending on any of this type of thing, and never, ever pay money to “own” something digital. That era is over. It sucks, but it’s yet another shitty thing that would take bullets to change, and since it’s not worth bullets it’s not changing.

    Honestly I doesn’t even take bullets but if you’re going to build the kind of political movement it would take to create change then all that work would be absolutely wasted on this problem while everyone eyerolls at you like you’re stupid and worthless for caring so yeah, it’s not changing.

    So yeah, do not pay for digital ownership of any kind, ever. It’s only ever a lease with one-sided terms, at best. Amazon lost the contractual right to provide that movie, so you lost the right to watch it, and “buying” it meant buying a license to watch it on their terms, the end. Don’t pay for it.

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      steam scares me

      if one day they go mental i will lose so many games.

      i have a pc with a large ass harddisk just to download and save all single player games and never update them.

      always play offline.

      but they already changed it so you cant play offline really idk maybe it was just that game

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        I think the fear mongering on Steam is excessive. The games stay offline on your disk, and most of them don’t have a DRM. Gabe Newell has also said that, in case Steam ever shutters, an exit plan will be provided. As for the Steam native DRM, there are already open source implementations that can be used to bypass it and Valve hasn’t done anything against it in years - so the only problematic DRMs are Denuvo and similar, which Steam does not control.

        GOG used to be a valid alternative, but it isn’t anymore. With CDPR themselves publishing games with DRM on GOG, on top of starting to be lenient on DRMs, they are literally having something similar to a DRM that is required for some games, a GOG Galaxy API that is completely closed source. And it doesn’t support Linux, the FOSS operating system.

        The fact that after years GOG still doesn’t seem to care about Linux, CDPR releases their games for Windows only (and more often than not with DRM), and Cyberpunk 2077 only runs on Linux thanks to Valve’s efforts is also worrying from a game conservation and ownership standpoint: Windows is a Proprietary operating system completely controlled by Microsoft, who can perform modifications remotely and is allegedly planning to popularize a model where people are sold very low spec PCs that only need to stream a Windows computer from the cloud with more powerful specs… not the platform I want to entrust the future of gaming to.

        All in all, Steam is still the mainstream gaming platform I dislike the least and trust the most. If I’m going to buy a game and hope it’s going to be playable decades into the future, it used to be GOG, but now it’s Steam from me.

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    You know where Amazon (and any other company for that matter) can’t pull content from? My Jellyfin instance. Yo-ho-ho!

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      True. But your jellyfish instance only really works for you and a few trusted friends/neighbors. I would still like a comprehensive library that I can browse and select from at a moment’s notice.

      The infuriating nature of Amazon / Hollywood / IP law / etc, is that these two combined goals are inimicable to the profit motive. I can’t have access to a big public library of continent, because that means someone else won’t be able to collect the real-time maximal market-rate from me to access it.

      Shit happens. Tech breaks. You forget where you leave things. People outside your social circle (people you’ll never know existed) will want access to that same media at some future date. And Jellyfin doesn’t get them that.

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        But your jellyfish instance only really works for you

        Yes, and that’s the whole point of it. It works even if my internet access goes down, and kids are screaming for their cartoons. Peace of mind.

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    Of course they’re able to.

    They’re a digital platform. Unless something is DRM free, this shit is likely to happen at some point.

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    If people suddenly collectively understood they’re paying for basically nothing it would probably spur large-scale revolution.

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      If I take something from your home and then leave you what I’ve decided unilaterally is fair compensation for it, and you know nothing of the transaction until after it has happened, would that seem fair to you? Asking because I’m pretty confident you have a refrigerator and I know for sure that I’ve got a crisp, fresh one dollar bill.

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        leave you what I’ve decided unilaterally is fair compensation for it,

        I don’t think that’s a fair assumption.

        In your hypothetical I believe you would get refunded the price you purchased for each game.

        Though really what I think would happen would be just the Steam DRM would be removed from all games and you’d have an opportunity to download the ones you own.

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          It’s that they didn’t ask. That’s the important part here. Amazon negotiated both sides of this “agreement”, decided that they were treating themselves fairly, agreed with themselves and then executed the transaction.

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            It’s that they didn’t ask. That’s the important part here. Amazon negotiated both sides of this “agreement”

            Yeah but we were talking about Steam, not Amazon.

            At least that’s what I was replying to, and when you replied to my reply, I thought you too were talking about Steam.

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              actually that seems fair. they gave you an extra 5

              was the part I was responding to in the OP, and when you engaged about the unilateral compensation decision I assumed that’s what you were talking about.

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    blu-rays are often as cheap or cheaper than “digital copies”, and ripping them to my NAS is pretty trivial these days thanks to makemkv.

    the best part is, uncle jeff cannot legally break into your house and take back the disc just because of some petty rights issue.

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      I recently bought a 4k Blu-ray player. My brother asked me if I also bought a fax machine because streaming is “where it’s at” . Nah My 4k player cleans up DVDs really nice where streaming has artifacts and banding. Not only is it true ownership but a better quality.

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          That is misinformation. The quality disparity you’re both pointing out is from streaming services compressing their media to much lower bitrates to ease bandwidth stress on their servers/clients and has nothing to do with a physical or digital medium.

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            lower bitrate == lower quality when using the same compression algorithms.

            most streaming services are using h.265, same as 4k blu ray, but at substantially lower bitrates

            streaming dolby vision profiles are also gimped considerably compared to blu-ray dolby vision

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              Doubling down on the misinformation, I see. H.265 is a high-efficiency codec, or in other words a better compression standard. Not a static compression level. This is why when you convert media there’s an input for quality, even when using HEVC. And you can absolutely stream the same Dolby Vision profile as a Blu-ray with single track double layer.

              You’re still conflating digital medium with streaming services.

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                i am more than well aware of all of this. nothing i said is misinformation. same algorithm, different settings. the primary means by which you reduce bitrate with h.265 is by reducing the quality setting. there is no magical way to cut your bitrate by 75% using the same compression algorithm without sacrificing quality. no commercial streaming service is offering video at the same quality level as a 4k blu-ray.

                few streaming boxes even support dolby vision profile 7, and no commercial streaming service offers it. so saying you can get it through a streaming service is actual misinformation.

                i have literally been doing this shit for 20 years

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                  i am more than well aware of all of this. nothing i said is misinformation

                  Your entire presupposition that Blu-ray quality is better than streaming quality by default is misinformation, and I’ve already explained why.

                  no commercial streaming service is offering video at the same quality level as a 4k blu-ray.

                  What does that have to do with digital media?

                  This is also demonstrably untrue if you take 5 seconds to research self-hosted streaming services.

                  few streaming boxes even support dolby vision profile 7, and no commercial streaming service offers it

                  Plex on Nvidia Shield. EZPZ.

                  there is no magical way to cut your bitrate by 75% using the same compression algorithm without sacrificing quality

                  I never said anything in contradiction to this. I don’t know who you’re shadow-boxing.