Summary
The House GOP’s new rules package aims to weaken minority party influence while advancing a pro-corporate agenda.
Key provisions include shielding the House speaker from bipartisan accountability and fast-tracking 12 GOP bills without allowing amendments, including measures to sanction the International Criminal Court (ICC) and protect fracking.
Democrats, led by Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), criticized the package for ignoring economic and social issues like inflation and housing while prioritizing tax cuts for billionaires.
Republicans plan to offset these costs by slashing social programs, sparking warnings of further congressional dysfunction.
But they did vote for it?
Right? Like, this is who we are, and who we are is stupid and easily manipulated.
You don’t get to vote outside of your own state for senators or representatives. Voting in your state doesn’t change the fact that other states have different priorities, and sometimes it feels like they’re just completely out of touch. My state has a Democratic majority in almost every part of our government, yet we’re still stuck with a president and federal government that most people here didn’t want or vote for. It’s frustrating because the system lets other states have so much power in choosing the president, even when it doesn’t reflect the will of people in places like mine.
The majority did not.
The majority who didn’t vote saw a cookie-cutter politician and an authoritarian man-baby and thought, “Eh, either is fine.” So their “vote” went to the majority winner. There are no redos because not enough people showed up.
That is a problem, but they did not endorse this.
It’s functionally the same thing.
If someone sat at home on election day or voted for anyone but Harris they absolutely endorsed this. They should go to their graves knowing every single thing Trump and crew does is because they allowed it to happen.
I think many are too low-info to really have endorsed anything.
There’s got to be a line where “low-info” becomes a choice. I don’t know where that line is, but “Donald Trump is an imminent threat to democracy” is absolutely past that threshold.
I’d have to say a whole lot of people are completely checked out of any kind of civic engagement whatsoever, for probably a plethora of reasons. There are definitely some that think they can be Above It All ™ because I Don’t Want To Be Political ™, and in my experience these people are insufferable smug jackasses about it, too.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was blaming billionaires who have a stranglehold on churches, media, and education.
I would blame both. The malfeasance from the oligarchs doesn’t absolve any individual of blame for their own individual actions. Both groups are assholes in different ways.
Inaction is a choice that says I don’t care about the outcome. It’s an equal endorsement of facists and neolibs.
Of course they did. When it comes to voting, silence is consent.
Does that mean those on Lemmy who told me not to vote for “both sides” consented?
Yes. The people on Lemmy encouraging people not to vote for Harris definitely consented to this.
But they said we’d revolt next, so they sounded like they don’t want this.
Do we get ponies and ice cream after this “revolution?”
With the way our electoral system works, not voting against fascism is the same as voting for it.
It shouldn’t be this way, but this is the reality of the situation.
The majority of people who showed up to vote did. Trump won the popular vote this time. The GOP were given control of every branch of government, and made gains in several state governments as well.
I’m still dubious about his win, especially since it’s one of the thinnest margins in history.
It’s a fact that bomb threats were called into Democrat majority polling places and judges refused to extend polling hours to account for it.
It’s a fact that Republican states engaged in heavy voter suppression in major metropolitan areas.
And it’s extremely suspicious that bullet ballot rates were orderes of magnitude higher than previous elections only in swing states.
I’m sure this happened (I actually predicted it to be far worse than it was, and thankfully I was wrong), but I haven’t heard of any examples of this happening at a degree where it would impact election results. Given the magnifying glass that this particular election was under, if there were any significant cases of this happening, the media would have been all over it.
Further, I’m sure that Harris’ team had a team of lawyers on speed dial looking for scenarios like this. One would assume that her team would have been all over it if they had word this was happening anywhere. If they weren’t, that’s an absolutely catastrophic failure on Harris’ team, her campaign, and Harris herself, and I have no reason to believe that they were that incompetent.
Harris performed significantly worse than Biden in all 50 states. All 50 states shifted to the right to at least some degree. States like California and New Jersey, typically as blue as a Smurf, suddenly looked competitive. The GOP voter suppression that they’ve been setting up for the past 4 years certainly played some role, but at the same time, you can’t blame GOP fuckery for the fact that voters even in the most liberal states opted to either shift right or stay home.
There’s a couple of problems with this.
First, Trump has a literal cult following that cares about him and only him. I absolutely can see rubes in swing states going to the polls en masse and just voting for Trump and not voting for anything else because they don’t care about anything else. I live in MA. One of the bluest states in the country. And I see people in their MAGA-covered pickup trucks and their MAGA flags wearing their Trump hats. And they still show up to vote even though Trump has no chance in the state. I can absolutely see hordes of Trump zombies showing up to do the same thing especially when their vote actually does matter. Even if only for the chest thumping.
Second, it implies that our elections aren’t secure at all. Because there’s only two options here. One is that our elections are safe, secure, free, and fair. This means that as fucky as it may look on the surface, hordes of people voting for Trump and only Trump is completely legit. If there was some fuckery going on, this means that Trump’s team, his supporters, foreign agents, aliens from Venus, or whoever was able to hack into voting systems nationwide, change voting results to their liking, and leave absolutely no trace. You are basically saying that our elections are about as legitimate as a pro-wrestling match, with the winners pre-chosen by whatever hackers are able to infiltrate the most networks.
There’s a very simple way to validate this issue. Check the number of ballots cast in a given precinct. Now compare that to the number of people who physically showed up and checked in. If those numbers are equal, that means that a high number of people simply really did just show up to vote for Trump and nothing more. You can look into why, but it’s irrelevant. If those numbers are off by even a single person, there’s a major problem that needs to be investigated. And again, if Harris wasn’t all over this like flies on shit, that’s a monumental failure of her campaign and her team. If there were some kind of mass fuckery going on, we’d know it by now.
tyranny of the minority
Do you just not understand how numbers work? Of the number of people who showed up to be counted, ie the ones invested enough to still give a fuck one way or another, more people voted for this than against it. That may not necessarily reflect the sentiments or ideology of the entire population. But if they wanted to be counted then they should have shown the fuck up. Bitch all you want about tyrants and tyranny because it’s fucking here. But stop kidding yourself that these people are still real underdogs in the grand scheme. Their ideology and dumbfuckitude is absolutely gaining ground and pretending it isn’t just adds another blind spot to be exploited.
And to go a step further, every single person who chose not to vote did so because they had no issue with Trump and the Repubs taking office. The majority did vote for this shit.
There was a lot of voter suppression, myself included. A lot of people wanted to vote and couldn’t.
Eh I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the result of apathy is the same as actual endorsement. I just feel you have lost too much solid ground because of a lack of participation that you are simply no longer considered in the sea of opinions/needs. But semantics aside, we agree.
the sentence doesn’t say some Americans voted for this
If it did, I’d agree.
This “but he didn’t get >50% popular vote” is an ineffectual cop out. It does not matter in any sense. It’s grasping at straws.
But they did
77,301,997voted for Donald269,823,374did not vote for himEdit: I forgot to subtract the 77m Donald voters from my all American adult voters number. So the second number is closer to 200 million. But still more than the Donald voters.
And of those, 108,403,374 were ineligible to vote, and 77,303,573 voted for Trump. The rest decided to stay home fully knowing it was a de-facto vote for Trump.
The majority of voters absolutely voted for Trump, or at the very least stepped aside and allowed others to return him to power.
Either way, the result is the same. The American people voted for this, and they are about to get exactly what they voted for.
Why are any American voters ineligible? Even if they are, they are Americans who did not vote for this. They are not represented in government.
A minority of Americans voted for this.
This is all spelled out in the Constitution. For better or worse, you can’t just ignore the parts of the Constitution you don’t like.
By this logic, a minority of Americans voted for literally every vote in the history of the country. A minority of Americans also voted for Biden in 2020. Or Obama in 2008 and 2012. You can’t just use this as an excuse when you don’t like the results.
I may have down my math wrong, but I subtracted minors. Though there’s a case that 16-18 year olds should vote.
I do think I forgot to subtract those in favor of Donald though, now that I think of it.
If they’re not citizens, they are not Americans, right?
Felons should be voting if they’re adult citizens.
Is there an intelligence requirement for voting?
There would still be plenty of non-voting children. And with 16-18 year olds, the case is there but it’s a case of being careful what you wish for. You open up a pandoras box of a bunch of willingly-uninformed voters (because most kids don’t care about politics), along with a bunch of teenagers who aren’t concerned about the consequences of their actions and would gladly vote for a shitty candidate “for the lulz”. Personally, I see it as a case where you’d be flooding the polls with so many uninformed voters and intentional trolls that the results would essentially be up to random chance. But I do agree that there’s a case to be made, even if I think it’s a terrible idea.
In principle, I agree with you. I’m just saying that this is stated in the Constitution and we cannot just ignore the parts of the Constitution we don’t like.
No. If Jim the meth-head and his sister/wife want to head down to the polls, they should absolutely have the right to do so. But I was talking about people who do not have the mental capacity to vote. People with severe Down Syndrome, for example. Non-verbal people with special needs. Dementia patients. Those with mental health disorders who think that the people of Jupiter are trying to read their thoughts by using laser beams disguised as rainbows.
I would also include elderly people in nursing homes, hospitalized people, and people who are otherwise unable to exercise their right to vote because of forces outside of their control. They should have the right to vote but are often prevented from doing so, even if only because of simple things like staff members being unwilling to bring them to the polls.
That sounds strange. Who did all the other people vote for? Why is that other person not going to be president with so many votes?
1/3 of eligible voters did not vote (for or against Donald)
So they were okay with Trump being president?
Trump did not get the majority of votes and if the house was not gerrymandered there would be no GOP majority there as well.
Yes, the majority neither voted for nor against this.
he won the popular vote this time so im not sure what you mean by not getting the majority of votes.
Because technically he got just shy of 50%, so while he got the highest vote count, he didn’t win a majority
where do you get that? Everything I have seen has him over 50% of votes cast.
AP shows him receiving 49.9%.
Not to be rude, but it isn’t hard to find… And people made a big deal (too big, really) when he dropped below 50%.
Anyway, just responding to why they said that he didn’t get the majority… It’s splitting hairs at this point, but I guess it makes some people feel better about what it means and what’s coming.
its rather harder than you think. I had a hard time getting vote totals instead of just electoral college and percentages that were not just based on top two. I clicked the link you provided and I don’t see it anywhere. just electoral college and vote totals but no percentage.
Gerrymandering has been a part of the system since the founding of the country. It shouldn’t exist, but everybody knows the rules of the game. The candidates all knew what they were getting into and knew that they’d have to break through all the gerrymandering in order to win.
You can’t play the game knowing what the rules are, then blame the rules when you lose.
Go ahead and defend the system but don’t say the majority voted for this, because the rules expressly allow for minority rule.
Add up the total votes from each state that voted for this and won. Exclude states that they didn’t win in. It’s about 10% of the total population of the U.S.
That’s a crazy system you have when 90% vote against something and they still win? You should fix that.