• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    22 hours ago

    You’re only “100% confident” because you didn’t bother reading those links, especially not the personal stories. Stalin made absolutely no secret of his hatred for Jews. And there’s a “Jewish Autonomous Oblast” in Siberia for a reason. Do you think those Jews wanted to live in the middle of nowhere in the freezing cold?

    But I am looking forward to you doing what the other guy praising the USSR for having gulags did and say the Jews deserved it.

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      21 hours ago

      I’ve read it - they look like anecdotal accounts and don’t look too credible. Would there be any systematic Jewish decoration policy - I assure u this would have come out in the 90s when archives were opened and Western media would have had a field day with this.

      And no - jao was formed before WW2 - and from what I’m reading - people were not forced to move there, there was a propaganda campaign promoting it.

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        21 hours ago

        If you had read it, you would have read all the personal accounts. But you obviously did not.

        Again, there is a reason there is a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Siberia. But do explain to me why you think a large number of Jews chose not live somewhere like Moscow or Leningrad but chose the freezing ass-end of nowhere of their own free will. This should be good.

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            What people? There weren’t Jews there until the Oblast was formed. Are you under some bizarre idea that Jews are indigenous to the far East of Siberia? There were no Jews there before 1934 when it was formed and they were forcibly sent there.

            You are trying really hard to defend the idea that there was no antisemitism in the Soviet Union and it’s utter nonsense as some of my relatives could have told you before they died. But you know those lying Jews can’t be trusted, am I right?

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              he Soviet government entertained the idea of resettling all Jews in the USSR in a designated territory where they would be able to pursue a lifestyle that was “socialist in content and national in form”.

              ^ it was an idea for their benefit. sure - it didnt work, but the intentions here were positive.

              In the spring of 1928, 654 Jews arrived to settle in the area; however, by October 1928, 49.7% of them had left because of the severe conditions.

              They left Karl - means it wasn’t concentration camps gun to their heads.

              After the war ended in 1945, there was renewed interest in the idea of Birobidzhan as a potential home for Jewish refugees. The Jewish population in the region peaked at around 46,000–50,000 Jews in 1948, around 25% of the entire population of the JAO.[15]

              Again - Karl - do you remember the climate for jews back in the days ? noone would give them land. US turned jew ship back: https://www.history.com/news/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939 and they were all killed.

              USSR should get nothing but a praise for giving them land and accepting jewish refugees.

              Maybe it didnt work out in the end - but the intentions here were good and pure.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

              making it into some anti-communist spiel doesnt hold water.

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                18 hours ago

                The idea that shoving all the Jews into a tiny place in the middle of nowhere in Siberia was “for their benefit” is some real fucking revisionism along the lines of “the Nazis were just protecting themselves” as a defense of the Holocaust.

                And this has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with Joseph Stalin.

                The idea that the “intentions were pure” to force hundreds of thousands of Jews to live in a frozen hellscape is ridiculous- unless, of course, you think Jews deserve it.

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                    8 hours ago

                    Got it. That’s why the Nazis had to do what they did, right? Jews were making life just too hard in Nazi Germany. And they tried to exile all the Jews, but they couldn’t. Hitler’s intentions were pure, right? Anyone who would say otherwise is just attacking socialism, right?