Labor party, Democrat, republican/ conservative, maga, etc. . And cut it out with this D/R bullshit. It’s maddening. There are people that have a serious moral issue casting a vote for some of the choices given.
I’m sure a lot of the people who sat it out are more informed and upset with what is going on than some of those that “chose the lesser evil”. They have every right to be furious.
The opposition party could obviously be better, but I think they were strong enough that “no preference” wasn’t the right choice. (After all, choosing not to vote is essentially a vote that says “I don’t care who wins”.)
Right, because the people who voted against trump are the ones that can–in a single election–dismantle and oppressive two party system crafted by an oligarchy feeding people the illusion of choice so they won’t riot. Of course the few of us who understand this and actually voted for the candidate with the best shot are able to do this. And of course we should have done this before all of the mass voter fraud being uncovered could lead to Trump taking an office he didn’t actually win. You’re absolutely right. Let me call everyone up and let them know we need to regroup.
Exactly. And you have people like me who refused to vote for Democrats because while they might not be as horrible as Donald Trump, there is still too much wrong with them for me to support them. I get called a Tankie bot whether I don’t vote or I vote third-party so fuck the DNC
Except why does that vote have to mean that you support them and not that you don’t support the even worse people. If we may never be able to vote again and may never have another ruler besides dictator don Will that have been worth the moral high ground?
Participating in an election means you are agreeing to abide by the outcome of the election. By not participating you are protesting and saying I not recognise the legitimacy of this process.
Something i’d like to ask is what did you expect but legitimately. And what are you doing to fix it you cant have a plan for having the betterment of a problem like in Gaza it fail cause both of the two known and only voteable options are genociders then choose to do nothing and that be the entire plan right. Assumedly your forming groups, protesting, pushing for reform not JUST non voting and sitting being a key board warrior right?
Inaction IS an action the only choice for non voting is ignorance OR confidence your actions will lead to an outcome that involves a new party entering or reforming. But again the issue is KNOWINGLY If trump won everyone said and knew we would be losing our rights and democracy and ANY chance to vote for someone much more reasonable so now there will be no process for you to not recognize I guess.
Correct. This is a major problem. The point is that it wasn’t made by the people, and the few of us who understand how problematic it is can’t simply make a new party and have it be successful. That doesn’t fix the two party system. America is a shit show, but some of us are doing what we can, and that isn’t enough but that’s not our faults.
Previously I thought almost all of them were, but then I found out that someone I’ve known for years hold that view. Any mention that maybe voting for the democrats would be a good idea results in an angry speech about genocide; which somehow (I’m not sure how) even has them lean towards Trump.
I appreciate the staunch opposition to genocide. But its kind of weird to see someone take a single issue so strongly to heart that their reasoning ends up inverted such that the candidate they favour is worse even on their one issue.
I don’t think Lemmy was really big enough to have THAT many bots. And at least of the ones I saw, if they were bots they’re doing an incredibly good job of making them blend, since many had a history of generally normal commenting before that time, and have continued posting normally since.
Yeah it’s always a badass take when it comes from a guy who kills literal monsters. Anyone old enough to have unsupervised internet knows we’re not that guy.
Yeah but there are a bunch of “I’m going to not vote to ‘send a message’! who cares if that makes the nazis win?” types
You need an actual opposition party then. Blaming non voters is the dumbest thing you can fucking do and will make your situation worse and worse
I agree.
Labor party, Democrat, republican/ conservative, maga, etc. . And cut it out with this D/R bullshit. It’s maddening. There are people that have a serious moral issue casting a vote for some of the choices given.
I’m sure a lot of the people who sat it out are more informed and upset with what is going on than some of those that “chose the lesser evil”. They have every right to be furious.
The opposition party could obviously be better, but I think they were strong enough that “no preference” wasn’t the right choice. (After all, choosing not to vote is essentially a vote that says “I don’t care who wins”.)
Democrats are voting some of the people in that trump is suggesting for roles. They’re enabling this shit too
Right, because the people who voted against trump are the ones that can–in a single election–dismantle and oppressive two party system crafted by an oligarchy feeding people the illusion of choice so they won’t riot. Of course the few of us who understand this and actually voted for the candidate with the best shot are able to do this. And of course we should have done this before all of the mass voter fraud being uncovered could lead to Trump taking an office he didn’t actually win. You’re absolutely right. Let me call everyone up and let them know we need to regroup.
You have no opposition party in America, your two party system also is a huge problem. In this way fascism will always win.
Exactly. And you have people like me who refused to vote for Democrats because while they might not be as horrible as Donald Trump, there is still too much wrong with them for me to support them. I get called a Tankie bot whether I don’t vote or I vote third-party so fuck the DNC
Except why does that vote have to mean that you support them and not that you don’t support the even worse people. If we may never be able to vote again and may never have another ruler besides dictator don Will that have been worth the moral high ground?
Participating in an election means you are agreeing to abide by the outcome of the election. By not participating you are protesting and saying I not recognise the legitimacy of this process.
Something i’d like to ask is what did you expect but legitimately. And what are you doing to fix it you cant have a plan for having the betterment of a problem like in Gaza it fail cause both of the two known and only voteable options are genociders then choose to do nothing and that be the entire plan right. Assumedly your forming groups, protesting, pushing for reform not JUST non voting and sitting being a key board warrior right?
Gaza is not a problem to me. I honestly don’t give a shit.
I don’t want anything except to be left alone, and neither party seems to be capable of doing that
Inaction IS an action the only choice for non voting is ignorance OR confidence your actions will lead to an outcome that involves a new party entering or reforming. But again the issue is KNOWINGLY If trump won everyone said and knew we would be losing our rights and democracy and ANY chance to vote for someone much more reasonable so now there will be no process for you to not recognize I guess.
Barack “I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone.” Obama shows the same attitude from the other side.
It’s more palatable, but it’s still the same oppressive bullshit
Correct. This is a major problem. The point is that it wasn’t made by the people, and the few of us who understand how problematic it is can’t simply make a new party and have it be successful. That doesn’t fix the two party system. America is a shit show, but some of us are doing what we can, and that isn’t enough but that’s not our faults.
Exactly, so why are you blaming people if its not our faults? You are the one debating in defense of blaming people, voters, and non voters alike.
Nazis would have won either way
I wonder how many of those were Russian bots
Previously I thought almost all of them were, but then I found out that someone I’ve known for years hold that view. Any mention that maybe voting for the democrats would be a good idea results in an angry speech about genocide; which somehow (I’m not sure how) even has them lean towards Trump.
I appreciate the staunch opposition to genocide. But its kind of weird to see someone take a single issue so strongly to heart that their reasoning ends up inverted such that the candidate they favour is worse even on their one issue.
Yeah, that’s totally fair. I mean, I guess it’s just a bot once removed, bots influencing your friend to swing to fascism
I don’t think Lemmy was really big enough to have THAT many bots. And at least of the ones I saw, if they were bots they’re doing an incredibly good job of making them blend, since many had a history of generally normal commenting before that time, and have continued posting normally since.
That’s very true. Bots once/twice removed? Like bots influencing the people posting here?
I can’t imagine you get to that conclusion alone
The DNC are Nazis that just focus on different issues
We all know opinions are like assholes, but this one wasn’t even wiped
The lesser of two evils is still evil
The argument was more charmingly made by Geralt of Rivia, but the only potion you’ve got is Flavor Aid.
I love the quote by Victor Saltzpyre in Vermintide 2:
“Do not be tempted to compare evils, lest you be tempted to cleave with the least of them!”
Yeah it’s always a badass take when it comes from a guy who kills literal monsters. Anyone old enough to have unsupervised internet knows we’re not that guy.