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    data from Edmunds says a record 17.5% of borrowers have payments of $1,000 or more

    That is a crazy high number. You are approaching mortgage territory there (yes, mortgages can be that price outside of cities). People need to stop spending so much on cars. They do not retain value.

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      While I agree cars themselves are just insanely expensive. A $25k car has you at $450+/month and this is if you have excellent credit.

      We need other options besides cars and unfortunately they’re the only option for many people.

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      My mortgage is that price inside a major city. Quite a few cars today – and not just hypercars or ultra-luxury ones, either – are approaching the same price I paid in 2009 for an entire 3-bedroom house. That’s just pants-on-head crazy!

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      i’m really not sure why so many people worry about the value of a car. it’s not some super-expensive, incredibly rare car. most are average commuter vehicles. they’re a tool. buy them, use them, keep them until they’re wore out, and repeat the process.

      i never really had a problem with car debt. i currently am driving a Cadillac Escalade with 430k miles on it. i bought it 7 years ago with 160k on the odometer, for $12k. it’s been a fantastic vehicle. no telling how much money that truck has made me over the years. it was a replacement for my beat up Tahoe that had about 325k on it when i traded it in.

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        270k miles in 7 years‽ Unless you’re a contractor or something and it’s part of your job, you drive way too fucking much.

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          I used to commute 1k miles per week. The wage differences, home prices, money saved by being close to family, and job market is such that this made financial sense. And the time in transit was about the same as when I commuted 350 miles per week when I lived near DC.

          COVID and work from home has been such a quality of life improvement it’s insane. On the other hand, the house we sold when we left DC for the Midwest has appreciated about $500k in 8 years (we check every once in a while on Zillow) so maybe that was a mistake. I certainly haven’t made up that difference in salary.

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        You spent somewhere around $54k in gas over 7 years @15 mpg and $3/gal. I wouldn’t take an Escalade for free if I drove that much.

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      I make pretty good money and own my own house, no kids, and don’t have crazy monthly expenses. But 1000 dollars a month would scare me.

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      I bought mine with 0% interest for 36 months, best believe I’m paying that 1k bill in order to not have to pay interest lol

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        36k for a new car is a lot for me but that’s not the worst deal. The problem is people are paying over 1k a month for 6-7 years.

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          Yea that’s crazy to pay that for 7 years. The last car payment I had for 7 years was ~200 a month and I was 18 so credit was nonexistent.

          36k isn’t crazy for a hybrid AWD SUV in todays market, I paid a little more for the hybrid and AWD to get 45 mpg instead of 20s and the AWD is a safety feature since my part of the world gets severe winter weather.

          I’d love to have paid less but this is market is deranged

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      That’s $400/mth more than my 2013 mortgage, and you can get a property at the same I paid for mine in 2013 now, just in Indiana instead of Wisconsin.

      I’ve thought about relocating because my property is now worth 3x what I paid, and that’s about the only option I have to net any perk from selling, but I don’t want to move somewhere that gets droughts in the best of times, much less with climate change.

      But for someone who just wants a place? There are some, and they all come with drawbacks.

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        You think people can get $600/month mortgages in this economy? You seeing a ton of homes in Indiana for 75k?

        Because at 8% interest, that’s all you’re getting for $600/month

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          Yes, that’s my point. Look at the housing market in Indiana. There are lots of properties under 75k.

          They aren’t better than the place I live now, but they also aren’t worse.

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            The only kind of place you’re getting for under 75k in America is gonna be 100% pictures taken from the outside by a bank representative as they try to foreclose on a very poorly located hovel.

            But sure, gl with your mystery box fixer upper.

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      Holy shit. That’s mortgage territory. I would master the public transportation system and buy an electric bike before spending that much per month.

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      And this is why I own my car out right. Bought it for $11k in 2013 and plan to drive it till the wheels fall off

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      For ordinary cars, they’re not meant to. They’re meant to be driven. That naturally involves wear and tear.

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        That naturally involves wear and tear

        Houses have wear and tear as well, they unsurprisingly do not suffer the same evaluation by the market as cars do. That doesn’t tell the whole story because a lot of the depreciation of cars is how the market itself views that asset. Some cars even lose up to 20% their value once driven off the lot for pretty much the same reason an iPhone loses value so quickly when a new model comes out or isn’t fresh out of the box.

        The entire point is that while the argument of “They’re meant to be driven” and “wear and tear” are valid arguments they are valid because of how the market views that “wear and tear” as a massive negative. Some of that is spurred by the difference between rehabilitation of a used house versus rehabilitation of a used car, that’s including the logistics of how a motor for an early 2000 model vehicle is much harder to find than say a replacement HVAC system. There’s a bit of the logistics of how cars are made and how you cannot just drop XYZ transmission into a random car unlike say how you can just drop ABC model hot water heater into your plumbing.

        There’s a deeper reason why that wear and tear on a car is so vastly different and thus treated differently than wear and tear on other more repairable things.

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          Exactly. Homes retain their value because repairing wear and tear is quite affordable. Even expensive repairs like a new AC or roof is still only a fraction of the cost of the home. And those repairs will last for 2+ decades.

          Meanwhile, an expensive repair for a car, such as a new engine, will often result in the car being sold to a junkyard due to the price relative to the value of the car being extremely high.

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            Yeah, I just spent $2,600 on a new engine for my car but my car is actually only worth $2,000. Lol

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              On the other hand, if that 2,600 is the biggest expense for the foreseeable future then it is far cheaper than buying a whole car.

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          Houses have wear and tear as well, they unsurprisingly do not suffer the same evaluation by the market as cars do.

          that’s because you’re not buying the house, you’re buying the land the house sits on and the house is a nice bonus that’s thrown in. sometimes “houses” get bought to be demolished so some rich asshole can build an even bigger house on the lot.