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They want to go back to how it was in the 1800s
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god i can’t wait to move to canada or ireland
American cheese product is about to become actual plastic.
Why I didn’t drink American milk before:
In Canada, the dairy industry is regulated by the Canadian Dairy Commission, which sets standards for milk production, including quality and safety. Canadian milk is often noted for its strict regulations regarding antibiotics and hormones, and the use of growth hormones like rBST is banned.
In the USA, milk quality is regulated at both federal and state levels, with the FDA setting standards for milk safety. However, practices can vary significantly from state to state, and some farmers may use growth hormones, which can be a concern for some consumers.
"US FDA suspends milk quality tests amid workforce cuts” Aaaand another step backwards…
This is going to fuck up the US export market something FIERCE. The US is actually one of the largest food exporters in the world, but without proper inspection and safety checks, no country with half a brain cell is going to want to import potentially contaminated food. Whenever something slips through the cracks and some people die or get hurt from food poisoning it is always a major scandal, even if the number of people affected are in the single or double digits.
This is the type of shit that will bring the US back to the 19th century when food adulteration was rampant. Except now despite overproducing food on an unimaginable scale, they will STILL try to adulterate food with bullshit.
Other countries having food standards was one of Trump’s tariff complaints
I’m glad I never really got into dairy. Occasionally I’ll eat cheese. And 2ce a year I’ll eat ice cream.
Even if you were going to do this, why would you tell everyone you’re doing it?
Man it really sucks living in this shithole country run by a pack of morons.
I hope my state secedes. The sooner blue states cut themselves loose, the better.
Simple solution, buy a cow and a testing lab! (I’m glad I’m lactose intolerant right about now.)
The fucking fuck. Are we supposed to import our god damn food now so it’s safe to eat?
Time to get on the bandwagon of ultra-pasteurized milk or re-boil your milk at home
“Ultra pasteurized” are just words on a carton unless there’s someone verifying it.
Source?
Here’s a Cornell University article
https://cals.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/2023-04/pasteurization-fact-sheet-v1.pdf
Source: People can print whatever they like on a carton. It’s testers and regulators that recognize and punish them for making false claims.
I have terrible news for you. At least in my part of America, the only milk you can buy is ultra high pasteurized.
Of course, that’s what they’ve been doing until now. Let’s see what happens without the FDA on it.
But now it’s not just milk and the legally allowed amount of blood, pus, urine, dirt, fecal matter, cleaning agents, and the things the
FDAUSDA found and did nothing about.
Now it’s an unambiguous statement that unknown quantities of unknown substances in your food will not trigger enforcement actions! (Regardless of the regulating body)That article cites USDA, not FDA
Oh, you’re right - I recalled the article and just grabbed the first one that fit when I skimmed it.
I think my point that this is a clear message that the regulators are unable to regulate right now is still valid, but I will update my previous comment for clarity.
Dipshits like RFK jr want to experiment on everyone and make them “healthy again” by giving everyone raw milk.
I want regular pasteurized milk so I can make clotted cream. But I’d rather have ultra high pasteurized and not have to worry about shit like that.
In Florida up to 30% of the volume of milk can be pus (there’s lots of puss coming out of these abused girl’s tits due to infections on wounds caused by the machines), so enjoy drinking your boiled pus drink
Gonna need some sauce on that chief.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/senate-bill/3758
This tried to limit it to “400,000 [pus] cells per milliliter” but it looks like it didn’t pass.
Also found this fun guide (adapted from FDA guidelines) telling labs how to count the pus cells. Particularly alarming is that they tell the labs to err on the side of ignoring pus cells “If in Doubt, Do Not Count Questionable Cells!”
https://www.wifss.ucdavis.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/RulesforIdentifyingCellCount.pdf
Yes, and pay the import tariff. I’m sure you can afford it since taxes are so low.
That’ll be $276.43, and your card is automatically charged.
Thank you, Come again!
No returns.
Nah, you dont need to steal milk from babies in another country either, weirdo. Just stop buying milk.
This isn’t the only thing they’re stopping testing on.
The article doesn’t make this clear but “proficiency testing” is a “testing the testers” activity that ensures that labs’ procedures are working. So milk testing done by labs will still be done but those labs won’t be tested until this is resolved. Yes, the activity being stopped is important but a short stall shouldn’t immediately accept food safety.
Thank you for being a voice of reason so I don’t have to go insane today.
How long until I should go insane though? A month? Two weeks?
From working with lab equipment, you’d be surprised how quickly results turn to unreliable slop if not consistently calibrated. Is that what you’re saying is being skipped?
The article really didn’t do a good job of explaining. Would this be the equivalent of CAPP inspections where one lab will audit another?
No, it’s making sure people still know how to do their jobs that will be paused. If you work in a lab you have to do regular periodic training and then be tested on your ability to execute to those standards. Those tests of the lab workers are being paused until they’re in the new location. This is actually pretty common.
That kind of expense is meant to ensure standardized practices, correct?
Trump thinks measure once cut once is more efficient.
To some extent, but more so to ensure people actually absorbed the training.
So if you train people on shitty practices, then they can pass their competency tests doing shitty things really well!
The actual training (typically called SOPs - standard operating procedures / policies or some such thing) quality is generally what makes a bigger difference. Those are typically reviewed annually or on some timeline based on risk and volatility.
Gotcha, thanks for the explanation
Now corporations can slide a few bucks to food safety testing labs and get past all these pesky regulations
And testing companies can reduce prices and take on many more customers if they don’t actually test anything.
And when people are upset about that system the labs can go and pay the big4 to be their testers and rubber stamp everything they do because the labs are now paying the salary of the people who are there to stop them.
They still allow 30% pus (by volume) in the milk sold in my State. Thats the status quo you think is OK?
throw the fucking Russian cunts out ffs!
Guess it’s time to stop consuming milk entirely, good job!
Can’t wait to find out we’re putting formaldehyde in our milk again.
Suddenly glad to be lactose intolerant
Sounds like everyone is about to be.
Everyone is supposed to be. Adult humans are lactose intolerant, naturally.
Same here. I do, however, feel bad for those that aren’t and enjoy the devil’s moo juice.
dairy is horrifically cruel and incredibly destructive, it was always bad for us; and now it’s even worse. alternatives exist, it’s an easy change to make.
Cow suckers don’t want to hear it.
even in supposedly progressive spaces, people just turn their heads and refuse to connect it. but I’ll keep speaking up. <3
I’ve seen this too. Way too often, in fact. You could even be among the annoying (IMHO) types that are constantly trying to out-purity-test one another and lecturing everyone on fucking everything and being all intersectional [1], etc.
I rarely bring up being vegetarian IRL. People that know, know. The only time it comes up is when arranging food or what have you. Obviously there are times when it needs to come up. But I’m not into arguing over nutrition and the whys IRL and I’m also not into the proselytizing. Best you can do is quietly lead by example, in my view. Preaching at people until they stop eating meat is not going to work.
Anyway, I’ve had multiple instances where it comes up and some super-dooper almighty holier-than-thou type of lefties (we all know the type, I’m sure - the kind that give a bad name to progressive causes - this kind of attitude is best left to church ladies trying to No True Scotsman each other over xtian doctrine as they see it) will make some snide remark about vegetarianism/veganism! I mean, what the actual fuck.
[1] Invariably, this tends to be a white woman holding forth and telling any white men within earshot their views on how white men should let others do the talking and just listen. Sometimes the woman will claim to be bi for extra Oppression Olympics Points. I wish I could say this was only just the same white woman in the various instances…anyway, if people wonder how to generate more reactionaries, I’m sure cartoonish and over the top buffoons like that are not helping at all. Anyway, in my view, in being decent to others or worker solidarity, etc., very few of this type, if any, are walking the walk or even have any interest in any of that.
Amazing how resistant people are to this, and to any suggestion that beef intake should be reduced.
I think food really, really, really hits close to home. For many people, especially a certain kind of man, shall we say, and women that have taken up similar toxic attitudes (see the story about the “mean MAGA girls” for an example), the very notion of cutting out even just beef gives them the vapors. You’d think someone was asking them to cut their nuts off. It’s an identity politics type of thing. I think many men legit don’t want to be seen as veg*ns because they think women will think they are pussies. Even the notion of reducing their intake - anathema. It is the same kind of assholery you see from people that proudly turn on every light in the house during Earth Hour, or the kind of mentality that drives someone to alter their truck to waste more diesel to blow it on other cars.
I’m 100% vegetarian. I have not cut egg and dairy out completely, though I never really could stand milk itself all that much anyway - I’m moderately lactose intolerant so take it easy on the cheese. Most of my meals are 100% vegan.
Even after all these years, I still get people - and not completely uneducated people, either - get a look of concern and ask me where I get my protein from. I try to be patient and reasoned when I get the question, but…wow. Sometimes even the SAME fucking people have asked me multiple times over the years. It’s like not one fucking thing I answered them with sunk in, at all. Marketing is one hell of a drug. I thought the stupid fad of listing how many grams of protein on every item as if it was somehow a gigantic benefit would die off, but if anything, the labeling has grown only more pronounced. 🤣
Beef isnt even all that good as far as red meat goes; lamb or pork are vastly better tasting IMO.
The thing that got me to significantly reduce my dairy consumption was
- Being exposed to vegetable milk (first soy then almond) by my roommates
- Not keeping fresh milk in the apartment because it kept going bad
- Losing the ability to gracefully digest lactose
I eat much less cow now because of cute internet cow videos.
Anyways, I think if 5 people reduce their consumption by 30% that’s more impactful than 1 person reducing their consumption by 100%. (Math caveat: assuming each person has the same baseline level of consumption. 5 vegans reducing their consumption by 30% won’t do squat).
i never liked soy, it has a wierd taste to it. i prefer unsweetened almond and coconut milk. but almonds might come from questionable sources too.
that’s great! keep going.
I misread that as “it’s easy to make.”
You’re right. While its not so easy to make, its available at most stores, it lasts longer before it spoils, and its cheaper.
There’s a reason that psychopathic antagonists drink milk in movies. You’d have to be crazy to choose to buy milk from an animal
I’m pretty sure I saw someone talking online (maybe here?) about how they make oat milk themselves because it’s a lot cheaper and not too hard to make?
Lactose intolerance finally pays off
