• GlitterInfection@lemmy.world
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    The point is that that ultra-processed or unhealthy foods increase the risk for depression in the general public.

    This is you, making a false statement that is about the study OP posted, not general “not arguable” bodies of knowledge.

    This is harmful, not helpful.

    Edit: for those downvoting me, the quote from the person before me is NOT based on decades of non arguable research. It is only based on their opinions, biases, and the headline OP posted.

    The study we are discussing opening paragraph says the following:

    Despite extensive data linking ultraprocessed foods (UPF; ie, energy-dense, palatable, and ready-to-eat items) with human disease,4 evidence examining the association between UPF consumption and depression is scant.

    Unless this random internet person knows more than these researchers, then I’d say that this person is doing the exact harmful thing I was trying to prevent.

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      Ok, I’ll say it again. The negative mood effects of unhealthy lifestyle choices are well established and not arguable. I’m not making that statement on this study, but rather the entire body of literature showing this to be the case. Sorry there was a misunderstanding.

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        Then go edit your post to remove the statement that contradicts what you’re saying now.

        What I am trying to do is to prevent people from reading the headline and making the false statement that you then made based off of it and using that to try and give advice about diet and exercise to people with clinical depression.

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          You need to work on your reading comprehension. They clearly state that the claim they’re making is based of decades of research, not simply this headline.

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            The statement they made, which I quoted, IS NOT BASED ON DECADES OF RESEARCH! It is based on their assumptions and the headline in this article.

            The study we are talking about makes it very clear in its first paragraph that there has been little-to-no prior research on the effects of processed foods and depression.

            Despite extensive data linking ultraprocessed foods (UPF; ie, energy-dense, palatable, and ready-to-eat items) with human disease,4 evidence examining the association between UPF consumption and depression is scant.

            It is literally the justification for this specific study having been done at all.

            This study only involved middle-aged white women (95% of participants) who didn’t suffer from depression at the start of the study. It measured incident depression over the course of 15 years and correlated that with various processed food categories.

            That person making the statement that processed foods increase the chance of depression in the general public is doing exactly what I was trying to get people to not do, which is turn this headline into false assumptions and unhelpful advice about general depression.

            I hate these reddit moments.

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              Jesus Christ dude. Read what they said, they are a medical professional, they are not making claims based on an article, but rather years of research.

              This has nothing to do with reddit, you’re just a moron.

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                They said this:

                The point is that that ultra-processed or unhealthy foods increase the risk for depression in the general public.

                The study we are talking about literally says this:

                Despite extensive data linking ultraprocessed foods (UPF; ie, energy-dense, palatable, and ready-to-eat items) with human disease,4 evidence examining the association between UPF consumption and depression is scant.

                We are talking about a study that in its opening paragraph, with sources, contradicts what they, as a random internet stranger claiming to be a medical professional, are claiming as the truth.

                I, for one, am going to side with the study over the person making claims with no evidence. Even a study that I think will cause people like you and the other person to act in foolish, unscientific, and very harmful ways.

                Anyway, you should go back to reddit with that attitude. Or downvote and move on. You added nothing of value here and were a jerk for absolutely no reason.

      • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world
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        They’re established to be linked to incidental depression, not clinical. It may help SOME people get out of a tailspin, but those with clinical/chronic depression will not experience the benefits of ‘healthier lifestyle choices’.

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          Healthy lifestyle choices reduce the incidence of depression at the population level.

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            Yes. This is not a cure all, but will indeed reduce (but not purge) situational depression among the populace. I did not disagree with you, I added nuance; no need to repeat your statement.

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        If you’re not talking about the study, why did you quote the headline almost word for word?