No, because a cow has to be impregnated and their baby is taken away (and either killed (male) or is also going to be a milk cow (female)) just for you having some pleasure.
I get that, which is why I can’t wait for lab-grown meat to take off so that I can finally eat the things I enjoy guilt-free. I’ll be among the first to buy it the moment it’s at the grocery store. Hopefully lab-grown cheese comes next. Vegan “cheez” is awful.
Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere. The crops you eat have pesticides on, animals are trapped and killed to keep the places you eat and live clean.
My take is that you are not engaging in a serious debate. Competing with “pests” for crop yield is not anywhere on the same level as cultivating an industry with systemic animal abuse.
I’m saying that there are different places that people draw the line on the amount of cruelty and suffering they will allow in order to live their lives. I could also point out the conditions of the people who assemble the devices that were using to have this debate, or the habitats destroyed in the mining of the material required. It’s impossible to live in a way where you avoid inflicting some sort of suffering on others and it’s all about where you personally find a balance between convinience for you and suffering for others.
I don’t understand why vcj types who just express ennui at talking to meat eaters even come into these threads. You’re not helping convince people to lay off the cheese by doing this.
its about inflating their imaginary victimization by provoking responses with their stupid comments, So they can go on to cry about the evilbadcruel world and feel ever more justified as they arrogantly huff their own farts
You don’t really miss it after a few months. And maybe it’s stockholme syndrome but lately when I get something with vegan “cheese” on it, it hasn’t been awful. Last weekend I got a Daiya pizza thinking it was gonna be complete trash and it wasn’t horrible actually.
I’ve heard the best way to to replace cheese (as a vegan or someone going non-diary) is to just not. The vegan cheese substitutes don’t taste good if you are used to dairy and cheese in general doesn’t really provide much nutrition
This is actually the route I’ve been inching towards. I’ve started getting my veggie burgers with just veggies and will make a slaw for my tacos and I’ve been missing it less and less. I’m mostly gonna treat it as part of my “vegan junk food” list hopefully going forward.
But like I’ll still use nooch for like my pesto and such lol. But my pesto recipe is one of those things where you can’t even really tell it’s vegan imo.
I use sunflower seeds instead of pine nuts because I’m not a millionaire. I have made it with a blend of spinach and basil before as well. Spinach is cheaper unless you grow basil or something.
Yeah. I tried the vegan cheeses because you have to have cheese on pizza right? (Violife is the only decent tasting one I’ve found here that doesn’t contain carageenan). Then I tried making pizza without cheese and it’s just as good. So now I have cheeseless pizza. The flavour comes from the veg.
Agree. Although a slice of avocado will really be a satisfying alternative to cheese in many situations. Hits that fatty and creamy note. Just no macaroni & guacamole please.
Good point! I just wish they lasted longer. Seems every time I buy avocados I can eat them 1-2 days after or they are rock hard for a week and then when you try one it is already gone bad lol. I must be doing something wrong
The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can’t breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?
No, because a cow has to be impregnated and their baby is taken away (and either killed (male) or is also going to be a milk cow (female)) just for you having some pleasure.
I get that, which is why I can’t wait for lab-grown meat to take off so that I can finally eat the things I enjoy guilt-free. I’ll be among the first to buy it the moment it’s at the grocery store. Hopefully lab-grown cheese comes next. Vegan “cheez” is awful.
Vegan supermarket cheese is awful, but if you can find a cashew cheese they’re really good. My go to are the more upmarket supermarkets.
Myoko is a great brand for all their plant-cheeses.
I agree but vegan cheese/milk just doesn’t cut it. I’m vegetarian but until they manage to emulate the taste better I make a concession for cheese.
In other words “I support cruelty against animals because of my taste buds, fully knowing what that animal cruelty contains”
Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere. The crops you eat have pesticides on, animals are trapped and killed to keep the places you eat and live clean.
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How is anyone going to take you seriously if that’s your response to a debate?
My take is that you are not engaging in a serious debate. Competing with “pests” for crop yield is not anywhere on the same level as cultivating an industry with systemic animal abuse.
I’m saying that there are different places that people draw the line on the amount of cruelty and suffering they will allow in order to live their lives. I could also point out the conditions of the people who assemble the devices that were using to have this debate, or the habitats destroyed in the mining of the material required. It’s impossible to live in a way where you avoid inflicting some sort of suffering on others and it’s all about where you personally find a balance between convinience for you and suffering for others.
Of course. Cause bugs arent as cute as cows, So who gives a fuck about them, right?
I don’t understand why vcj types who just express ennui at talking to meat eaters even come into these threads. You’re not helping convince people to lay off the cheese by doing this.
Its not about convincing anyone.
its about inflating their imaginary victimization by provoking responses with their stupid comments, So they can go on to cry about the evilbadcruel world and feel ever more justified as they arrogantly huff their own farts
I support cruelty to people who post bait like this, too.
You don’t really miss it after a few months. And maybe it’s stockholme syndrome but lately when I get something with vegan “cheese” on it, it hasn’t been awful. Last weekend I got a Daiya pizza thinking it was gonna be complete trash and it wasn’t horrible actually.
I’ve heard the best way to to replace cheese (as a vegan or someone going non-diary) is to just not. The vegan cheese substitutes don’t taste good if you are used to dairy and cheese in general doesn’t really provide much nutrition
Why not make your own? A simple cashew cheese + nooch, is nutritious and taste good.
I’ll have to try that one of these days. I still eat cheese on occasion, but have definitely noticed I miss it less the longer I don’t eat any
This is actually the route I’ve been inching towards. I’ve started getting my veggie burgers with just veggies and will make a slaw for my tacos and I’ve been missing it less and less. I’m mostly gonna treat it as part of my “vegan junk food” list hopefully going forward.
But like I’ll still use nooch for like my pesto and such lol. But my pesto recipe is one of those things where you can’t even really tell it’s vegan imo.
What’s the recipe, if you don’t mind sharing? I haven’t really tried pesto many times, and when I did they didn’t turn out well
I say “my recipe” but I got it from here: https://www.forkintheroad.co/vegan-spinach-pesto/#recipe
I use sunflower seeds instead of pine nuts because I’m not a millionaire. I have made it with a blend of spinach and basil before as well. Spinach is cheaper unless you grow basil or something.
We are growing sunflowers this year so that’s perfect. Also spinach. Also basil. I should learn how to make pesto
Imo homemade is better. This makes enough for 2 lbs of pasta and I found it freezes very well so we got 2 while meals out of it last time I made it.
Yeah. I tried the vegan cheeses because you have to have cheese on pizza right? (Violife is the only decent tasting one I’ve found here that doesn’t contain carageenan). Then I tried making pizza without cheese and it’s just as good. So now I have cheeseless pizza. The flavour comes from the veg.
Agree. Although a slice of avocado will really be a satisfying alternative to cheese in many situations. Hits that fatty and creamy note. Just no macaroni & guacamole please.
Good point! I just wish they lasted longer. Seems every time I buy avocados I can eat them 1-2 days after or they are rock hard for a week and then when you try one it is already gone bad lol. I must be doing something wrong
Yeah that’s kinda how they are.
Knowing humans, it’s either that or extinction. I think cows did a pretty smart move, evolutionairywise. That said, it is time for change.
The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can’t breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?