• IceBerg@lemmy.world
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    Folks please, please go and google “Jewish population of hebron”. You are being fed lies and you’re eating it all up because you really want to cheer for the underdog.

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      I found the original source of the photo: It is an article by “The New Yorker” from 2019 that confirms and explains the situation.

      https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/a-guided-tour-of-hebron-from-two-sides-of-the-occupation

      […] Hebron, in an area where about thirty thousand Palestinians—a fraction of the number who used to live here—live under direct Israeli military rule, which protects fewer than a thousand Israeli settlers. This part of the city is freely accessible to Israeli citizens and foreigners, but most Palestinians can enter only if they’re residents.

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      For a second it felt like we were in a covered market, but this was because the street is fenced in from the top, with a sort of wire net intended to protect the Palestinian traders and their customers from rocks, bottles, and trash thrown by Israeli settlers who live on the street just above. Amro pointed at metal sheeting placed over a section of the net; it is meant to guard against acid that settlers pour down, to destroy the goods sold here.

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      In 1997, as part of the Oslo peace process, Israel and the Palestinian Authority drew a line splitting Hebron in two. The area designated as H-1 is controlled by the Palestinian Authority; in H-2, the Palestinian Authority has civil administration over Palestinian residents and the Israeli military controls everything else. H-1 is far larger, and in the past two years its population has roughly doubled, while H-2’s has dwindled because settler violence and I.D.F. restrictions have made life unbearable for Palestinians. But H-2 contains the city’s historic center, its most popular square, and its wholesale, vegetable, spice, and other markets—all of them now hollowed out. The market street through which Amro leads his tour hits a dead end at the border between H-1 and H-2. Here, though, the border is also vertical: the market street is in H-1; the street directly above is in H-2. This is why the protective net and metal sheeting are necessary.

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      I literally googled that and this was the top result.

      “Hebron is home to approximately 200,000 Palestinians, as well as 700 or so Jewish settlers. However, 20 percent of the city is under direct Israeli control, and Palestinians living in it, or passing through it, are subjected to checkpoints and a ban from travelling on several main streets, unlike the Jewish settlers.”

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        Yes! Exactly! There are 200 thousand people living in hebron and Seven Hundred of them are Jews. Who do you think lives in a ghetto there? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying these settlers aren’t assholes who may throw trash or rocks, I’m sure many other cities have communities of assholes. But making this out to be apartheid?! Come on.

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          Given historical trends the people in the ghettos are people who do not have control of the government of the region. Who do you think has better control of the region, Palestine barely holding itself together or Isreal with monitary and military backing of the united states?

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            Go check out who Mahmoud Abas is and where he lives and come back to discuss how Palestine is barely holding itself together.

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              Yeah, the bourgeois ruling class lives in luxury while common people live in relative squalor. This is nothing new.

              Using the living conditions of the ruling class to represent the general state of a country is extremely dishonest.

              If Palestine is as well of as you are you are trying to insinuate you would have used the living conditions of the masses rather than exclusively pointing to the most powerful man in the country to make your point.

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                Wait, if you agree that their “ruling class” is living in splendor. Where is your apartheid argument? Shouldn’t you be critisizing the Palestinian ruling class for not taking care of the general state of their country?

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          200 thousand people living in hebron and Seven Hundred of them are Jews.

          But making this out to be apartheid?! Come on.

          Uhhhhhhhh… This is meant to be ironic or…? Yes, pushing members of a minority group to live in a specific city/area densely packed primarily by themselves which they do not govern… is apartheid. I could say “Look, only 100 white people lived in X neighborhood while 100,000 black people lived there in South Africa! How is that apartheid?” and it’d sound pretty ridiculous.

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            Uhhhhhh… Hebron is mostly governed by the Palestinian authority. It is in fact their capital. Jewish people can’t really access most parts of the city. It’s actually pretty prosperous city which is what you get when you don’t devulge 100% of your funds developing terror infrastructure.

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        His counter proof is, and I quote from one of his comments from a few days ago: “I’m a Jew living in Israel and currently serving in active duty. I have a house and a family and a pretty good life here”.