• BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Given that Jews are not likely to voluntarily leave Israel, this is de facto a call to violently expel or kill all Jews in the area, which is nearly half of the world’s Jews.

    While yes, going from “Kill all Jews” to just “Kill half of all Jews” is an improvement, it’s still not “let’s all hold hands and find a way to get along!”. This isn’t to say that the Israeli far right is all that much better really, though they’re better at knowing what parts to say out loud.

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      Yes it is a clear war crime don’t get me wrong. But exaggeration has no use when reality is awful enough.

      Hamas is a terrorist organisation that will not hesitate to kill civilians to achieve their ideals. They do not publicly at least want to kill all Jews.

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        TBF, so is the IDF. They have killed, what, nearly 20,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children non-combatants, since they declared war on Gaza? They claim to care about not killing civilians, but they sure aren’t putting a lot of effort into not killing them.

        What’s a reasonable ratio of combatants to non-combatants killed? 1:1? 1:10? If Israel has to kill one hundred civilians in order to kill a single Hamas militant, is that acceptable?

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          Hamas civilian casualty rate on Oct7 was around 3/4 civilians to IDF, with 29/1200 children deaths.

          This is better than the US avarage of 9/10. Israel is guessed to be around 99/100 and 6000/18000 children deaths.

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              What? Your link cites 18k and There’s still 5k bodies missing in Palestine. The real death count is likely above 20k already.

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                Yes ? Do you really think only 200 Hamas militants were killed ? Because that’s what your ratio would suggest.

                Israel is unnecessarily killing and starving civilians, but once again gross misinformation serves nobody and only justifies more horrors.

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                  Seeing as 1/3 of the deaths are children and the other 1/3 women it’s pretty easy to confirm that there is no targeting involved. It’s just genocide.

                  Israel was already unecessarily killing and starving civilians before Oct 7. And there’s literally no reason they need to starve anyone right now aside israel comitting genocide.

                  You seem to have a weird impression of them. Genociding all Palestinians is israels goal, it’s not a “byproduct” of the war. Netanyahu has publicly stated this.

                  But you’re right since they dared to enter Gaza and fight instead of just bombing civilians while Hamas was in the tunnels underground, their civilian casualty rate has probably decreased. Maybe they got 500 now?

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                    Where did I say that one side didn’t want to genocide the other ? Hamas is more public about it and won’t even try to justify their civilian killings, but Netanhyu government has made it clear again and again that they are willing to do collective punishment. The high civilian death rate is of course intentional.

                    Hamas has also killed plenty of civilians, and they don’t even try to pretend that it was accidental. That said you are close to their ratio which is three civilians for every military death.

                    Israel’s civilian deaths to militant deaths is probably higher due to the usage of bombs (10 civilian deaths per explosion) and intentional starvation but it isn’t 100:1.

                    Hamas’ strategy of hiding behind civilians is also a war crime since it obviously increases the number of civilians killed.

                    If you believe Israeli propaganda, they have killed 5000 Hamas militants. Reality is probably smaller than that, but since Hamas intentionally doesn’t publish their militant casualties we won’t have a good estimation. That said 500 Israeli soldiers have died and seeing the asymmetry in warfare, you can expect much more Hamas militants to have died. I have not been able to find an estimate from an independent source.