Of course she ignores slavery. She’s a conservative. Conservatives were responsible for slavery and they are tired of being called out for it. They would bring it back immediately if they weren’t actively stopped by progressives.
Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives.
There is no place in a modern culture for conservatism. Teach your children why it is immoral to keep relationships or do business with such people. Marginalize hate by marginalizing those who hate.
I don’t fully agree with the details and history of what you are saying, but I absolutely agree with your general sentiment….
The history of us political parties is not that simple, and we have not always just had the democrat and Republican parties…. I see you said the word conservative, but a hundred years ago pretty much everyone would agree with our modern “Republican” party over our modern democrat party…. But times have changed, and I would agree many conservatives are stuck in an archaic mindset no longer compatible with the modern world
I sort of understand the downvotes here but also don’t at the same time. Southern Democrats can be a bit of a surprise to newer generations not steeped in US history of the southern Dixiecrats and the southern block they use to rule with until they finally broke up and switched to the Republicans.
The comment above is sticking with Conservatives and Progressive which today most would equate to Republicans and Democrats respectively within the US.
The original post did not mention parties in any way shape or form. Republicans may have made themselves the modern party of conservatism. But the Dixiecrats were conservative as well. All conservatives all in the wrong side. It’s fairly simple.
I’m not sure conservative and progressive would have had the same context back then… it’s not that simple…
It’s trying to cram hundreds of years of history into today’s notions of conservative and progressive which I don’t think accurately represents the actual sentiments of the people living back then… and it glosses over the fact that many in the north enriched themselves from slavery as well, our country is founded on slavery, let’s not just simplify it to conservatives bad, progressives good… I think that is my main issue…
Progress is a moving target. There are many views held by those that were progressive back then. That would be anathema to modern progressives. But their progressive view points tend to transcend the time they were born.
Modern conservative bigots, aren’t really all that different from their counterparts from the past however. Party history doesn’t necessarily need to enter into it at all. Conservatives seek to conserve power for themselves. No more, no less. Exactly what that means to them may change superficially. But the core remains. Throughout all positive change in human history. Conservatives have been solidly against it. Conservative in America, conservatives in England, conservatives in Afghanistan, conservatives in just about anywhere else. Potato potato. The superficial trappings around it may differ slightly. But the core is always power for themselves and oppression of others to get it.
Honestly they’ve been a solidly right wing economic party since FDR. He was the last time since Biden oddly enough. That we invested heavily in domestic public infrastructure. And saying Biden even really approached FDR is a stretch. But it’s the closest we’ve come.
Ummm… literally fucking definitions, bro. Conservatives by definition want things to go back to ‘the good old days’ full of racism and white America. Progressives want… progress.
Progressives are good. Conservatives are bad. It is black and white.
I love how this community has clearly become such an echo chamber that even people who try to speak with even a bit of logic and measure get downvoted to hell. Our words fall on deaf ears here.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just very annoyed that if you don’t absolutely demonize the other side, you get downvoted, which you did and you were. That’s not what a healthy community does.
regardless of what political party the aligned themselves with, the political views of conservatives remain the same. that’s why the person you replied to didn’t identify those they referring to by their political party, but by their political views: conservatism.
“Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives.”
Let’s talk about first and second wave feminists or terfs like Sheila Jeffreys. Or who pushed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policies. Or some the unsavory views of Theodore Roosevelt. There are so many instances of progressives and liberals getting it wrong and causing harm. Conservatives do sometimes get it right if they are consistent. This current brand of American conservatism is bonkers though.
The big idea behind conservatism is “let’s keep things how they’ve been” while progressives seek new solutions to problems. Pre civil war progressives were looking for a means to abolish slavery while conservatives sought to preserve the institution. No mental gymnastics needed.
With your way of reasoning it was the progressives who caused slavery.
At some point in time someone proposed slavery as cheap labor. That would have been a progressive since the ones who just wanted to “keep things as they’ve been” were conservatives…
Your argument is completely absurd. Especially since slavery existed long before anything remotely even resembling progressives and conservatives.
So weird to realize you see your comment as some kind of slam dunk. Doesn’t that get tiring? Having to invent some nonsense to replace reality with, just so your precious feelings don’t get threatened.
(parent comment) The big idea behind conservatism is “let’s keep things how they’ve been” while progressives seek new solutions to problems
This is one way to think about it, and it mostly works because keeping things how they’ve been typically benefits those already in power. But this doesn’t always work as you’ve almost sorta pointed out (your specific example doesn’t work but others potentially could). That is to say, yes, it’s possible to “innovate” in the field of exploitation and if viewed from this perspective your argument makes sense.
That’s why the better way to view the big idea behind conservatism this way: Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. – Frank Wilhoit
Political parties are important differentiators in US politics, because nearly every major party were and are liberal parties. Additionally , in this conversation it’s about politics and political leaders preserving and maintaining slavery, not “who dun it”.
Let’s draw the through line of history, shall we? The Democratic-Republicans (conservative, laissez-faire) are why the constitution preserved slavery for a minimum of 20 years with no exceptions and why the 3/5 compromise existed. It was conservatives that threw a fit about the international slave trade being outlawed. It was a conservative court that ruled against Dred Scott. When it was time to add more states to the union, the Democrats demanded on expanding slavery to maintain their position of power in Congress. The traitorous states that tried to rebel over slavery were ran solely by conservatives.
Of course she ignores slavery. She’s a conservative. Conservatives were responsible for slavery and they are tired of being called out for it. They would bring it back immediately if they weren’t actively stopped by progressives.
Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives.
There is no place in a modern culture for conservatism. Teach your children why it is immoral to keep relationships or do business with such people. Marginalize hate by marginalizing those who hate.
I don’t fully agree with the details and history of what you are saying, but I absolutely agree with your general sentiment….
The history of us political parties is not that simple, and we have not always just had the democrat and Republican parties…. I see you said the word conservative, but a hundred years ago pretty much everyone would agree with our modern “Republican” party over our modern democrat party…. But times have changed, and I would agree many conservatives are stuck in an archaic mindset no longer compatible with the modern world
I sort of understand the downvotes here but also don’t at the same time. Southern Democrats can be a bit of a surprise to newer generations not steeped in US history of the southern Dixiecrats and the southern block they use to rule with until they finally broke up and switched to the Republicans.
The comment above is sticking with Conservatives and Progressive which today most would equate to Republicans and Democrats respectively within the US.
This meme is a quick hey what?
This is for those that want to know
much*more in depth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_DemocratsThe original post did not mention parties in any way shape or form. Republicans may have made themselves the modern party of conservatism. But the Dixiecrats were conservative as well. All conservatives all in the wrong side. It’s fairly simple.
I’m not sure conservative and progressive would have had the same context back then… it’s not that simple…
It’s trying to cram hundreds of years of history into today’s notions of conservative and progressive which I don’t think accurately represents the actual sentiments of the people living back then… and it glosses over the fact that many in the north enriched themselves from slavery as well, our country is founded on slavery, let’s not just simplify it to conservatives bad, progressives good… I think that is my main issue…
Progress is a moving target. There are many views held by those that were progressive back then. That would be anathema to modern progressives. But their progressive view points tend to transcend the time they were born.
Modern conservative bigots, aren’t really all that different from their counterparts from the past however. Party history doesn’t necessarily need to enter into it at all. Conservatives seek to conserve power for themselves. No more, no less. Exactly what that means to them may change superficially. But the core remains. Throughout all positive change in human history. Conservatives have been solidly against it. Conservative in America, conservatives in England, conservatives in Afghanistan, conservatives in just about anywhere else. Potato potato. The superficial trappings around it may differ slightly. But the core is always power for themselves and oppression of others to get it.
Fundamentalist
I think we might be at a point in history where democrats are the new legitimate right wing party and we have some new left wing party….
Republicans no longer get to sit at the table
Honestly they’ve been a solidly right wing economic party since FDR. He was the last time since Biden oddly enough. That we invested heavily in domestic public infrastructure. And saying Biden even really approached FDR is a stretch. But it’s the closest we’ve come.
Ummm… literally fucking definitions, bro. Conservatives by definition want things to go back to ‘the good old days’ full of racism and white America. Progressives want… progress.
Progressives are good. Conservatives are bad. It is black and white.
So Conservative Colin Powell was wrong advocating for affirmative action and other programs to help create a more equitable society?
Or David Frum writing for the Atlantic as a conservative… I guess that magazine is secretly GOP shill.
I love how this community has clearly become such an echo chamber that even people who try to speak with even a bit of logic and measure get downvoted to hell. Our words fall on deaf ears here.
What do you mean. I don’t mind getting downvoted if we are discussing facts,
The civil war was about slavery, fact number 1
I’m not disagreeing with you, just very annoyed that if you don’t absolutely demonize the other side, you get downvoted, which you did and you were. That’s not what a healthy community does.
I hear you. Thankfully I don’t care if I get downvotes….
I do try to understand why I got the downvotes though, in this case I’m still not convinced.
I think a lot of people can’t stop with the black and white, our side Good their side Bad…
So even suggesting the other side isn’t worse than Hitler, or that our side is the fucking messiah gets downvotes, lol…
regardless of what political party the aligned themselves with, the political views of conservatives remain the same. that’s why the person you replied to didn’t identify those they referring to by their political party, but by their political views: conservatism.
This is some crazy partisan shit.
“Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives.”
Let’s talk about first and second wave feminists or terfs like Sheila Jeffreys. Or who pushed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policies. Or some the unsavory views of Theodore Roosevelt. There are so many instances of progressives and liberals getting it wrong and causing harm. Conservatives do sometimes get it right if they are consistent. This current brand of American conservatism is bonkers though.
Gloria Steinem is still a queen no matter what happens ;)
It does bug me that partisans of either stripe conveniently ignore so much in order to find satisfaction with their preferred narrative.
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Yes, conservatives were the reason slavery continued for so long. At the time of the Civil War, the conservative party were the Democrats.
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The big idea behind conservatism is “let’s keep things how they’ve been” while progressives seek new solutions to problems. Pre civil war progressives were looking for a means to abolish slavery while conservatives sought to preserve the institution. No mental gymnastics needed.
You really argue against yourself here.
With your way of reasoning it was the progressives who caused slavery.
At some point in time someone proposed slavery as cheap labor. That would have been a progressive since the ones who just wanted to “keep things as they’ve been” were conservatives…
What comment did you even read?
Your argument is completely absurd. Especially since slavery existed long before anything remotely even resembling progressives and conservatives.
So weird to realize you see your comment as some kind of slam dunk. Doesn’t that get tiring? Having to invent some nonsense to replace reality with, just so your precious feelings don’t get threatened.
This is one way to think about it, and it mostly works because keeping things how they’ve been typically benefits those already in power. But this doesn’t always work as you’ve almost sorta pointed out (your specific example doesn’t work but others potentially could). That is to say, yes, it’s possible to “innovate” in the field of exploitation and if viewed from this perspective your argument makes sense.
That’s why the better way to view the big idea behind conservatism this way: Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. – Frank Wilhoit
It’s well documented that the political parties had a policy switch some time in the 1930s.
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Political parties are important differentiators in US politics, because nearly every major party were and are liberal parties. Additionally , in this conversation it’s about politics and political leaders preserving and maintaining slavery, not “who dun it”.
Let’s draw the through line of history, shall we? The Democratic-Republicans (conservative, laissez-faire) are why the constitution preserved slavery for a minimum of 20 years with no exceptions and why the 3/5 compromise existed. It was conservatives that threw a fit about the international slave trade being outlawed. It was a conservative court that ruled against Dred Scott. When it was time to add more states to the union, the Democrats demanded on expanding slavery to maintain their position of power in Congress. The traitorous states that tried to rebel over slavery were ran solely by conservatives.