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    Russia is waging war. The US wants to support a free democratic country that borders NATO over a fascist invading country that’s an adversary of NATO.

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      Ukraine banned the largest opposition party in the legislature. How does that make it a free and democratic country? The truth is it’s no more free and no more democratic than Russia.

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          I care. You’re McCarthyist bullshit is wearing thin. Most of the US population don’t want the US proxy war. Keep trying.

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              The reality that the major media corporations and military industrial complex want to to be represented? Correct, they don’t represent that.

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            cite yah sources and I’ll read into it. I view it as providing aid to a foreign population being invaded by a direct adversary of the people of the United States. The Ukrainian people need saving from Putin’s senseless and ultimately fruitless invasion of their homes. Russians should be embarrassed for how much pain they’ve inflicted, as well as how little they’ve accomplished in this pointless errand to fulfill Putin’s selfish dying wish.

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              That’s not how representative democracies work. There’s no way for a commoner to vote on it.

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                Fair point, a referendum then. (also please fix your democracy America, its getting weird)

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        “imperialism is when America does things, and the more American it is the more imperialismer it is”

        Other countries can be imperialist too. Like Russia, when it invades its neighbours to annex their territory. Stop defending imperialism. A thing does not automatically become anti-imperialist if the USA doesn’t like it.

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          Ad hominem fallacy

          I’m not embarrassed I had to look it up, but I’m glad I did!

          Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is “A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong”.

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      Out of the numerous countries that the USA has invaded, couped, meddled in or intervened in, which ones have become free and democratic enough to your liking?

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        Afghanistan was democratic during US occupation. Unfortunately, that was overthrown by the taliban when the US pulled out.

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              Your own source contradicts your claims:

              Prior to the 2021 overthrow of the government by the Taliban, Afghanistan had been consistently ranked as a below-average democracy by U.S.-based non-governmental organization Freedom House. According to their yearly survey Freedom in the World, Afghanistan scored only 27 points in 2019 to 2021 on a 100-point scale, falling in the category of “not free countries.”

              In 2010, a report published by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime indicated that bribery consumed approximately 23% of the GDP of Afghanistan.[8] This corruption was present in the highest levels of government, with the New Kabul Bank scandal in which a small number of political elites, including cabinet ministers, had embezzled nearly $1 billion through fraudulent loan schemes.[9][10]

              While the first presidential election of the republic in 2004 was relatively peaceful, the following 2009 presidential election was hampered by significant flaws, including a lack of security, low voter turnout, and widespread electoral fraud.[11]

              All this is after being chartiable and not including the 20% voter turnout in 2021 since that was the tail end of that epoch.

              But I bet you’ll blame all these shortcomings on the Afghans.

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                Oof, that’ll teach me to briefly skim a source before posting. I wasn’t going to blame anyone, because I clearly don’t know enough about the situation. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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                    You’re putting words in my mouth. I was addressing ksynwa’s comment, which was honestly a bit tangential and not entirely related to Ukraine. Offering aid is not occupation, and it’s a bit silly that you would imply that.

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      Why would US also support Turkey, Egypt, Israel or other dictatorship around the world?