Please tell the world about how awesome communist rule is while in a free democracy. Please let those starving people in those concentration camps in China know how good they have it.
Lol yes, abolishment of private property and government ownership of the means of production doesn’t automatically mean authoritarianism. How could I forget? To control a government best thing is to give them more power, gotcha. Thanks for clueing me into your logic steel trap dawg
My authoritarianism comment was in refrence to the “free democracy” comment, homie. Sorry if you need those things spoonfed to you. And state ownership doesn’t automatically mean public ownership. China is a real world example of that. Thanks for clueing me into your idiocy, dipshit.
Oof. I know it’s hard to get educated but it’s worth the effort. I recommend starting with a good encyclopedia. Unless those are simply far right dog whistles in your brain
Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.
So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.
I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”
Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)
However, over the years others have made contributions—or corruptions, depending on one’s perspective—to Marxist thought. Perhaps the most influential changes were proposed by Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, who notably supported authoritarianism.
I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!
If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.
China really isn’t. They gotta jump through some wild hoops to do business over there. Apparently the way they exchange value between companies is via some share of inventory for sales or whatever. It’s complicated AF, so I don’t know how to explain it.
Julan Du and Chenggang Xu analyzed the Chinese model in a 2005 paper to assess whether it represents a type of market socialism or capitalism. They concluded that China’s contemporary economic system represents a form of capitalism rather than market socialism because: (1) financial markets exist which permit private share ownership—a feature absent in the economic literature on market socialism; and (2) state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being distributed among the population in a social dividend or similar scheme, which are central features in most models of market socialism. Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism.[18]
That’s from a Wikipedia. I’m not going to pretend to have a strong grasp on it but it’s state owned enterprises that function, essentially, as private (separate from government). That combined with production for profit > production for use makes it way more in the capitalist spectrum compared to Marxists ideology. Especially considering their human rights record.
Well, it’s not a fair argument but non-communist countries have starved a lot more people to death than Communist countries ever had, but something tells me you’re not really here to learn anything or that you care for fair arguments.
You think that a commune can’t have voting? Well that says enough about your level of understanding. Would you really like some light on the definitions of words, or do you think you’re just bringing some slam dunk “haha commies bad” you learned from your grandpa?
Please tell the world about how awesome communist rule is while in a free democracy. Please let those starving people in those concentration camps in China know how good they have it.
Please go on. Enlightened us.
Communism doesn’t automatically mean authoritianism. And you think China isn’t capitalist? Enlighten yourself bozo.
Lol yes, abolishment of private property and government ownership of the means of production doesn’t automatically mean authoritarianism. How could I forget? To control a government best thing is to give them more power, gotcha. Thanks for clueing me into your logic steel trap dawg
My authoritarianism comment was in refrence to the “free democracy” comment, homie. Sorry if you need those things spoonfed to you. And state ownership doesn’t automatically mean public ownership. China is a real world example of that. Thanks for clueing me into your idiocy, dipshit.
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Oof. I know it’s hard to get educated but it’s worth the effort. I recommend starting with a good encyclopedia. Unless those are simply far right dog whistles in your brain
(Encyclopedia Brittanica)
So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.
I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”
Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)
I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!
If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.
China really isn’t. They gotta jump through some wild hoops to do business over there. Apparently the way they exchange value between companies is via some share of inventory for sales or whatever. It’s complicated AF, so I don’t know how to explain it.
Julan Du and Chenggang Xu analyzed the Chinese model in a 2005 paper to assess whether it represents a type of market socialism or capitalism. They concluded that China’s contemporary economic system represents a form of capitalism rather than market socialism because: (1) financial markets exist which permit private share ownership—a feature absent in the economic literature on market socialism; and (2) state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being distributed among the population in a social dividend or similar scheme, which are central features in most models of market socialism. Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism.[18]
That’s from a Wikipedia. I’m not going to pretend to have a strong grasp on it but it’s state owned enterprises that function, essentially, as private (separate from government). That combined with production for profit > production for use makes it way more in the capitalist spectrum compared to Marxists ideology. Especially considering their human rights record.
That’s fair enough I guess. They’re trying really hard to not be capitalism though. 🤣
They really aren’t. Try being more attentive to the world.
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Well, it’s not a fair argument but non-communist countries have starved a lot more people to death than Communist countries ever had, but something tells me you’re not really here to learn anything or that you care for fair arguments.
You think that a commune can’t have voting? Well that says enough about your level of understanding. Would you really like some light on the definitions of words, or do you think you’re just bringing some slam dunk “haha commies bad” you learned from your grandpa?
In theory, communism is supposed to be democratic…
Nice talking points 👍👍👍