• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    What facts did I twist? Because all I said was that the war has expanded to beyond Gaza to the West Bank whether their goal is to destroy the PA or not. I’m not even sure why not having that goal means the war can’t expand into the West Bank. Are you under the strange misapprehension that every war is about regime change?

    Also, my link was one example. There have been plenty of others.

    It seems to me that calling it the Israel-Gaza war when it isn’t just in Israel and Gaza is a twisting of facts. Even Wikipedia has the sense to call it the Israel-Hamas war since at least Israel claims that’s who they’re at war against (I would argue that is also false). And let’s say that’s true. Why can’t Hamas members be in the West Bank?

    Was America at war with Pakistan when it killed Bin Laden in Pakistan during the “Great War on Terror?”

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      9 months ago

      Calling this Israili-Palistinian war is twisting facts. There are also shorts traded with Hezbollah, so, let’s call it Israeli Lebanon/Iranian war.

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        Shots traded is not the same thing as multiple incursions.

        How many military operations do there have to be in the West Bank for it to not make sense to call it the “Israel-Gaza War?”

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          9 months ago

          You understand that West Bank is occupied by Israel for many years and they do these raids for many years (decades even), right?

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            You didn’t answer my question.

            Also, from the link I pasted that you obviously ignored:

            On 15 December, Doctors Without Borders reported 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank in recorded history.

            And yet the war is only in Gaza.

            Weird kind of peace.

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              I would not call it peace, I would call it occupation. And it is absolutely expected increase of activities there when something is happening in Gaza. That was true the last time Israel had excursion into Gaza, it is true now. But it is absolutely dishonest to call it the war with Palestine. Israel does not have goal to dismiss the Palestinian Authority, does not try to attack the officials or government buildings of the Palestinian Authority, and Palestinian Authority does not use any paramilitary forces to fight Israel. Calling it a war with Palestine is simply false and is anti-Israel propaganda in my opinion.

              As for your question - it does not matter if it is 5 or 35 or 3005 times those raids happen. Weather it is a war or not is not defined by the number of raids, but by what I have discussed above.

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                So you’re saying that despite this being the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank in recorded history and despite Israel occupying parts of the West Bank, taking away any authority the PA may have in those areas and despite Israel conducting raid after raid into the West Bank, the war is only in Gaza.

                It really sounds to me like you’re arguing that the war is only in Gaza because Israel says so and no matter what the IDF does in the West Bank and no matter how many people they kill in the West Bank, the war is only in Gaza.

                That’s some real 1984 shit.

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                  Yes, I am saying precisely that. The raids are not war. It is just the question of definition of what war is and is not. One thing I agree with you, it is 1984 shit. Just I suspect we disagree who is doing it. You may want to open dictionary and check what war is.

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                    9 months ago

                    Ok.

                    war

                    /wôr/

                    noun

                    noun: war; plural noun: wars

                    a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

                    Sure sounds like what’s happening in the West Bank to me… unless the IDF is only killing unarmed people. Is that what is going on?