LTT is hidden advertising, and there is no money for that in Linux.
Most of the “tech” youtube world is based around presenting mostly useless consumer products as it was technological advancement.
Most of their SAAS advertisers could be replaced by a “docker compose up”, hardware ones, most of the time are just regular tools with one or two gimmick.
The way to get money advertising on linux is by misleading business people into getting useless enterprise services.
Entreprise services are there so client companies have someone to blame contractually if there’s an issue instead of themselves, that’s very valuable.
Plus, support is pretty nice to have.
Only because it actually takes the real work off the backs from the sysadmins.
Exactly why banks almost always use one form of a corporate UNIX based OS for this or that. Shit hits the fan --> blame the other guy. You can’t do that with community based distros, even with Debian, they offer no guarantee whatsoever.
You are off your rocker if you think most saas products can be replaced by docker 🤣
There is a big gap between you running jellyfin in your basement and securely and reliably maintaining services.
SAAS is a scam developed by venture capital to make their otherwise nominally profitable tech gambits able to bilk clients of cash on a scale not even Barnum could fathom.
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reliably maintaining services
it’s funny that you use that as a selling point.
In my experience almost no outage happens because hardware failures. And most outages happen because bad configurations and/or expired certs, which in turn are a symptom of too much complexity.
Imagine thinking availability is all you need to do.
Your experience must be extremely limited.
Is there 🤔? I’ve seen things in production you wouldn’t believe. Rigs from the stone age, a 30+ year old DEC still running their version of UNIX and people saving files on tapes. Why? It’s how it has always been done 🤷. A firewall/router configured back in 2001 (no one’s touched it ever since). An Ubuntu 12.4 install running a black box VM that no one knows what it’s actually for, except that it was needed back in 2012 for something related to upgrading the network… so don’t touch it cuz shit might stop working.
Trust me, I’ve seen homelabs that are far better maintained than real world production stuff. If you’re talking about the 0.2% of companies/banks that actually take care of their infrastructure, they are the expection, not the norm.
Homelabs will always be better maintained. In most cases it’s a one man show and the documentation can be slight hints that will help you remember the process when you need it.
Most of the documentation for my homelab server is a README file in the folder next to the docker compose. At work I’m forced to write a lengthy explanation as to why things are the way they are in Confluence.
If there is documentation… subcontractors come and go, some leave documentation, others don’t.
Most saas products no, most of software i saw advertising on those kind of channels yes.
You are off your rocker if you think most saas products can be replaced by docker 🤣
So you’re telling me all those products built on top of docker are !!MILITARY GRADE!! ?
Hidden? What else is there to get from a tech illiterate channel?
Even his build guides are awful
Wouldn’t advertising laptops that have Linux pre-installed work for that? Also niche hardware like the Raspberry Pi 5 for example
Not ENOUGH money would be a more appropriate answer.
True, that would be more accurate.
Not if they don’t advertise, and if they do, it’s so little I never saw it.
The Linux Experiment is regularly sponsored by some of them (IE Tuxedo)
I missed the part where you provide sources/reasons for your allegation of crime?
I’ve blocked his channels, so I can’t give recent sources. But it was VERY clear he ignored AMD graphics for years around 2014-2018, until when they began to advertise, they suddenly got attention. Also it was very clear that when Intel stopped their program to support reviewers, he did a 180 and was suddenly VERY EXTREMELY negative on everything Intel. Coinciding with when AMD began to advertise on his channel.
Just pay attention if you use his channel, and I bet you’ll see it very quickly too.Yep, Gamer Nexus ripped Linus a new one recently. Linus only talks for money. Well proven by the Billet Labs scandal among many others.
Nothing what GN was talking about was about money though, it was about rushing things and making mistakes
Have you noticed how Intel is doing so much worse than AMD pretty much across the board though? Maybe it just reflects reality :)
You can look at the stock chart for a quick summary.
I have AMD stock😀, I was always an AMD guy and stuck with my trusty Bulldozer FX CPU when they were really bad compared to Core2, I predicted way back in 2016 AMD would compete with Nvidia on compute, and later AI. But even for me what Linus did was too thick.
Intel was still ahead in single threaded at the time, but Linus focused ONLY on negative things.
Here you go.
Have you actually seen the video?
It in no way talks about “hidden advertising”.
Yes I watched it in it’s entirety. He talks about it. As in Linux doesn’t do anything if there’s no money involved. How he acted towards Billet Labs in a pathetic way because they were an upcoming small firm with little to no money. Another commentator in this post had already mentioned how he turned from positive to negative towards Intel when Intel stopped paying reviewers. Do you remember when they monitised the fricking apology video on YouTube? Clues are all over the place if you are willing to see with an open eye.
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I have no idea why Lemmy does formatting this very counter intuitive way, but that’s how it is.They are different things. space+space+return is for a new line, yes, but return+return is for a new paragraph, which is a different thing. There is supposed to be a space, some clients just reduce it to a little less than one full line to look more compact, while others just leave the full empty line like you say. Either way it’s the intended behaviour.
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windows don’t pay him too
Everyone else does, why does it matter if MS doesn’t 🤷.
He has stock in framework laptops so Linux should be nice for him.
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Seems unfortunate that there’s no “pre-built ready to use with Linux pre-installed” option starting at ~$1499.
A “Ubuntu LTS” option would be great here, yeah. It’d be next to impossible to support every distro and I get the feeling linux users who have distro preferences are also the type who would prefer to do it themselves.
Source: Me I guess. I’d rather setup Fedora myself
That’s good for workplaces at least. Everywhere I’ve worked, Ubuntu LTS is the standard with everything else being “good luck, just don’t let it get in the way of work”
Those are the exact words my first boss used when on my first day, I asked if I could use linux mint instead haha. That’s pretty spot on.
For good reason too, it has waaaay more support for your basic workplace apps than anything else (not that other things don’t but it’s easier to find a .deb than a .rpm)
The slightly above average users wouldn’t accept it either way. “What is this ugly Ubuntu? I want my gentoo minimalist install with awesomewm” etc
Seems unfortunate that there’s no “pre-built ready to use with Linux pre-installed” option starting at ~$1499.
system76 makes great desktops
Damn, that’s a large price difference. $300 for spyware, wow.
The price gap mostly covers assembly.
Hidden? It’s pretty fucking opaque. The point of most videos is to explicitly talk about whatever item(s) is about (CPU, GPU, cooling device, chair, tons of accessories, etc), he mentions lttstore at least once per video, and explicitly calls out sponsors.
Which advertising is hidden?
Even though I don’t really dabble in Linux anymore. I lost all my respect for him. No, not due to this post, but the GN/Billet Labs situation, and especially the Madison situation.
I will never watch another one of his videos, there are other options.
Can’t forget him being anti union as well, I also stopped watching all his content from that point onwards.
That and it rubbed me wrong when he went into small businesses to buy them out, only to ridicule all their product for being useless garbage.
The owner was obviously happy to be rid of the old stock. They knew it wasn’t moving. It is tech waste for a majority of the western world. Yes that stuff is still useful in other places arithe world, but it’s just not particular to have it in a shop in urban Canada. The owner was obviously a good sport to play the games the video and expressed gratitude to be able to sell a bunch of stuff.
You’ve missed some social cues or are looking for any small thing to pounce on. Go touch grass.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I saw that the owner was happy. I may have missed these queues, as I am not great at being social. I am looking at the deeper meaning. I am looking not at the actions, but what it represents, which is the fact that this teaches kids that they can buy people, and be happy in a world of commercialism is all. To me this is wrong.
It’s not that deep bro.
Can you elaborate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXBzBFxe00o
He goes into one of those dingy old PC stores that have walls crammed with dusty products that haven’t been sold in like 15-20 years and buys everything, even turns it into a bit of game with the owner where they roll a giant foam or play darts dice to see if he’s going to pay ridiculous prices for some of the products. Like many of these boxes are literally early 00’s tech that never moved and was just sitting there.
To be offended over that video is utterly ridiculous and it’s clearly all in good fun with the owner, who gets to avoid making a loss on stock he should’ve thrown out decades ago.
It may be my mode of thinking. To me it feels like a power move. The 1% tend to do things like this to flaunt their money, or to manipulate the world into showing people what this kind of power can do for them. It builds people up to aspirations that absolute wealth is a positive thing. Yet, people that are given this kind of money all the sudden, tend to spend it all and bankrupt themselves. There is also the fact that although tech is older, there is still a market for it, as capitalism tells us all we need the hip new thing, people just see it as garbage.
To imply he’s part of the 1% is absurd. He’s a small Canadian business owner. He’s well off sure, but he’s not fucking muskrat with hundreds of billions in net worth.
If he’s not there, he’s pretty close. That level is about 500k a year or maybe a bit more for Vancouver. He talked about living a year at a lower salary to show his kids how the majority of people live. So wagering a guess that he takes home enough that it makes life experiences different.
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He definitely has life-changing amounts of mine for sure. But it’s definitely good if he puts effort into teaching his children not to take it for granted and be nice to other people. From the videos his kids appear in, they seem very well mannered.
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That might be the worst video of them all to be mad at. Absolutely no harm done and everyone was clearly having lots of fun, the store owner included. There are videos with actual issues but this ain’t it chief.
He’s talking about a video where Linus went to a local tech shop. The products in said shop were… very old gen, Linus made some fun about it. He bought everything that was in the front of the store. That way the store owner had money to buy stuff that’s current gen and useful. A bit of a nostalgia trip
You mean the situation where a young zoomer with no work experience claims things without any proof?
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The claims that were corroborated by colleagues and the dude himself?
Where?
Fuck Linus and his shitty company. Greedy cunt.
What was the context for this? Was he just explaining why he wasn’t going to talk about how to install Linux during a video or something?
He made a video of how to build a pc and how to install the os. And basically if you choose Linux as a os you already know how to install it.
I guess it makes sense. There’s probably better tutorial videos out there for it
I learnt how to install Linux from some random indian YouTube video with a terrible mic and a handful of views, but explained it perfectly to my dumbass. I tried a few bigger ones and got lost or screwed up.
Best tech tutorials are ones that use screen capture and notepad to exaplain what’s going on.
With the one and only music title:
Trance - 009 Sound System Dreamscape
Man, it’s been YEARS since I last heard that song. But by just reading the title it started playing in my head and I can’t get it to stop. Damnit
I looked it up, and conclude that Inever heard it before (as least as far as I can recall.) What’s its significance?
Gotta love those Indian dudes, always to the rescue 👍.
And they usually don’t even monetize their channels, I mean, how cool is that. I think they do it for the heck of it, like why not.
The only thing I usually ROFL on is the way they speak 🤣🤣🤣. But that’s good as well, you get a good chuckle out of it while learning how to solve your problem 🤣.
It’s also their second language, with English phonetics turning out to be confusing even for native speakers. So 🤷🏽♂️
I know, know, it’s just funny 😂. It’s my second language as well, but they’re just funny to listen to 😂.
Fluffy has a great take on Indian bank robbers 🤣.
But there’s also some terrible ones. I know one of them almost steered me away from Linux. I don’t know what exactly the dude did, but he did most of the Linux Mint installation over CLI. Anyway, I decided to try it anyway just to find a GUI simpler than Windows installer.
I get ya seems like some tutorials are written for Linux users who use it for ASMR
I get ya seems like some tutorials are written for Linux users who use it for ASMR
I have to admit, that got a chuckle out of me. Well done.
What is there to know exactly? You just follow the installer and pick languages and whatnot. It’s no different than installing Windows except that it’s faster.
I think the main point they would present in a video is how to even get to the “follow the installer” stage. Where to download windows and how to make a bootable USB stick.
It’s not like they go into detail about how to install windows either…
Don’t forget the extra steps in windows 11 for removing Microsoft spyware
Windows 10 as well. Let’s not forget Wi-Fi Sense.
The install experience is same as windows. You give few details and hit next. Unless, of course, you want to pretend that Linux is terrible and install a command line only distribution.
People hating on linus but I’d say he’s honestly done videos to help linux be in the light. Like it or not linux still has its pain points. More importantly if you want linux to have wide adoption then you’ll need for manufacturers to ship them on devices and have them in store.
I hate on Linus not because he doesn’t like linux, but because he is a bad boss who overworks his employees and has allegations against him.
He actually became what he hated… at least that’s what he used as an excuse for quitting his day job.
Don’t you know? He didn’t sell his soul, he auctioned it!
For charity!
The allegations are allegations. Its not against him personally but at some of his employees and they hired an independent investigator to investigate the issue. People had issue with perhaps certain things being crunchy and he walked that back and they’re on a more laid back schedule now.
It did not matter if I spoke to someone with evidence of an abuse of power, or inappropriate workplace behavior, it was considered tattle taling.
I was actually called a tattle tale
I was told I was bossy, when I was trying to be assertive. (like I was asked to do)
I was told I was arguing, when I was trying to discuss my point of view.
I was told to “calm my tits”, “stop being such a bitch”, and other comments to similar effects.
Sounds like he runs a great company.
I’m sorry but once again, an investigation needs to happen with evidence for those claims. If true then the people involved should face repercussions.
- As far as I know, no legal charges where made or will be made. So the only investigation will be the one he himself paid for and he doesn’t have enough credibility for my to believe him even if he said everything was false.
- What what evidence would you personally need to believe that Madison isn’t just making it up?
Should we believe people just because they claim so? Anyone who makes a claim that something happened to them or someone did X needs to provide evidence. Otherwise anyone can just say anything about anyone.
What evidence would you need to believe her? At least one other former staff member (Colin) said
@suuuoppp’s (Madison) posts today in are line with what I remember hearing back when we were colleagues, and it takes mad huevos to post that.
Other former LMG employees like Maxine at the very least liked the tweets where she claimed these things.
Linus held a staff meeting about how to handle HR related issues right after Madison quit. Even though he responded to her accusations by saying her had no idea this was going on.
And if that’s not good enough for you, again what evidence do you need to believe her?
His videos are almost always hit pieces as he purposefully stumbles around like a drunken monkey and fails miserably every time therefore LiNuX bAd.
Absolutely. If you really want the “year of the Linux desktop”, the Linux community needs to start meeting people where they are, or atleast halfway between where they are and where Linux users are.
A silent portion of the community actually prefers that normal people don’t adopt linux. Those with entitlement and wanting to be spoonfed everything are best left to suffer with windows.
Its kind of unfair because the playing field is not level. Microsoft made sure of this decades ago.
The problem with linux is Microsoft. They worked hard over half a century to make it difficult for linux adoption. They paid hardware vendors to keep windows exclusivity. They forced secureboot starting at windows 8 causing problems for linux users.
They made sure linux never got the mindshare that windows has.
A silent portion of the community actually prefers that normal people don’t adopt linux. Those with entitlement and wanting to be spoonfed everything are best left to suffer with windows.
It feels good to be acknowledged sometimes. I go out of my way to help folks at times but I do not want a simplified OS that prevents you from breaking things by taking away your agency and embeds ads into the OS itself.
Me talking to Linus at gun point: You’re gonna install Arch on that thing AND YOU’RE GONNA LIKE IT!!!
Seriously though, you have no idea how many times people have given me latops with Suse preinstalled and told me to install Windows on them. They just buy them because they’re usually cheaper (no Windows license). They don’t actually care that they’re made to be Linux compatible. They could have FreeDOS or come completely blank for all they care. They just wanna have a working Windows install on their laptops.
Also for wide adoption of Linux, If Linus who literally built and fixed computers to pay the bills and learned enough doing that to go on to build the media company he currently has can’t get the Linux things done he’s attempted, that’s a pretty clear sign post that Linux is not ready for wide adoption in its current state.
Linus is better equipped to install Linux than im guessing 90% of people on the planet
Linus may not be the all knowing tech god that a lot of people like to make him out to be, but I’d definitely say he’s the average “tech-savvy” guy, but isn’t someone who could properly administrate a homelab, let alone infrastructure for a lot of people.
The Linux challenge was extremely accurate to what would happen if the average windows users tried to use Linux with no outside help. In fact, it’s very similar to my experiences with Linux, where I can accomplish simple tasks, but once I need power user features they’re much harder to find, documentation is patchy at best and you’ve got to hope they didn’t change anything in a recent version of the OS, cause some commands just change arbitrarily (looking at you Docker-compose on Ubuntu 20+)
Everybody knows Wendell is the real tech God.
Wendell is the only one I trust to teach me server related stuff. As far as I know, there’s never been any major problems with him
Pop os is better now
I think revisiting Linux would be great idea, but the current state isn’t that far off from what he experienced few years ago. Wayland protocols aren’t fully there yet, NVIDIA still needs some work, portals, desktops, 3rd party software and hardware support, package formats bullshit… There’s shit load of pending changes still being discussed, progress is being made, and even then, adoption of new solutions will take a while. It only make sense to revisit when there’s huge technological leap. Realistically with how slow things are going sometimes, it may be the end of the decade or close before the landscape looks really different.
When he first started he used Pop!_OS and an issue with their packages uninstalled the DE when he tried to install steam which was a really terrible look. A bug which I believe wasn’t present in any other debian/ubuntu based distro. He then moved to Manjaro, an Arch-based distro, and just had more problems with hardware.
I wish they’d try again and just use a user-friendly distro with more momentum behind it and stability, and realistically that means Ubuntu or Mint. Or take a tour through desktop environments, package managers, and what the differences between distros actually are.
If I recall the “Linus killed Pop!_OS in minutes just trying to install Steam” fiasco, the forensics shook out something like this:
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Pop!_OS’s onboarding experience doesn’t (or didn’t at the time) walk users through a software update. At least at the time, I haven’t used Pop!_OS recently so this may have changed, but the way you would use their GUI to run the equivalent of an apt-get update was to open the Pop!_Shop to the Installed tab and…wait. So the apt cache (the local copy of the catalog of packages available in the repository) is whatever it was when the install media was created.
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It just so happened that the exact version of the steam.deb package that apt cache pointed to had an error in its dependencies–it claimed that it was incompatible with Pop!_OS’ desktop environment, and thus to install Steam, it would have to remove the GUI and all its dependencies right on down to Xorg. This issue was discovered and a patched version was pushed to the repository, but because of the way repositories work, you can still request an older version of software.
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Linus picked Steam and clicked the install button in the Pop!_Shop. It attempted the install, saw the dependency error, and bombed out, kicking up an error message “Failed to install Steam” with a bit more text.
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Linus Sebastian, then CEO of a technology media company, comprehensively failed to google the words in the error it gave him and find several independent forum posts, Reddit threads, and Steam community discussions saying “Run apt-get update and try it again.” Instead, he got up on his high horse about Linux GUI’s not working, started fussing about how you have to do everything in the terminal, and he instead looked up how to use the terminal to install Steam.
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I don’t think he recorded his screen thoroughly enough to be sure, but either the page he found was strange or he skimmed a bit too quickly. Almost all of the time, web pages containing instructions for how to install software in a Debian-based Linux system (with the apt package manager) will instruct you to run the command
sudo apt-get updateand probablysudo apt-get upgradefirst, then probably asudo apt-get install [packagename]None of that happened, he just found the install command and ran it. -
The terminal spat out it’s usual litany of “doing stuff…” before spitting out a long list of things it was going to uninstall, followed by a warning in bold allcaps to the effect "WARNING! This operation is likely to permanently damage your operating system. You should not do this unless you know exactly what you are doing. To continue, type “Yes, do as I say.” Most of the time, a Linux system requires a y or n, and might even default to y if you just hit enter. Sometimes, in order to wake people up and kind of ask “are you sure?” it will reject a simple y and tell you to type out the word yes. Asking you to type out a complete sentence is a severe warning.
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Linus typed “Yes, do as I say.”
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APT uninstalled the entire GUI and dropped into a Bash shell.
In aviation, we talk about the accident chain. Few aviation accidents can be traced to a single brief action; instead a series of adverse events and mistakes lead up to an accident, and correcting any of them will avert disaster. Well, I count this accident chain as 8 links long. Contributing factors range from Linus’s bad attitudes and poor troubleshooting skills to the Steam package’s flawed dependencies to Pop!_OS’ flawed package manager which doesn’t refresh the apt cache on launch. The result was a crash and burn on international television.
Wow, that’s a great analysis of this event! From that I would say that PopOS devs could fix more than just the “do as I say” part.
Btw, are you a pilot/atc or do you happen to be an investigator?
Pilot, flight instructor, and reader of many NTSB accident reports. NTSB accident reports often end with a list of recommendations, which in this case would look something like this:
To the maintainers of steam.deb: use safer dependency management practices to prevent issues with less mainstream desktop environments.
To System76, maintainers of Pop!_OS: Improve the new user onboarding experience to include a software update. Improve the Pop!_Shop such that checking for updates and thus updating the apt cache is a positive action whose function is obvious to the user. In the case the Pop!_Shop fails to install a package due to a dependency management error, have the error message suggest running the update process.
To the maintainers of the APT package manager: No notes. This body finds that the warning offered by the terminal is human readable, clear and concise, and carries the appropriate gravity to the risk involved, and by requiring such a non-standard prompt, prevents users who aren’t paying attention and used to APT’s normal operations from confirming the action accidentally.
To teachers and creators of Linux tutorials: Include in your Transitioning From Windows To Linux curricula a lesson on Linux warnings. The Microsoft Windows ecosystem presents warning messages to the effect of 'this action may harm your PC" on a frequent basis, such as when installing or removing software, changing certain settings, performing updates, or using certain external hardware. Windows users become accustomed to ignoring these warnings as nothing bad ever happens. The GNU/Linux ecosystem is not in the habit of over-using warning messages, so when one is encountered, it genuinely signposts a potential problem.
To Linus Sebastian: When a computer gives you an error message, the first step in troubleshooting is to google the exact text of the error. Especially when doing something routine, such as installing popular software on a popular distribution of Linux, you probably are not the first person to have this problem. It has likely already been reported, discussed and solved.
Damn, that was a good read. I have no doubt your students are trained very well
The whole point imo was supposed to be to test linux from a point of view of a regular user, and that while surely a bit extreme, isn’t too far from what might happen when a newbie stumbles on an issue (which may or may not happen depending on luck).
Then again he did test it on uhh, quite interesting hardware that’s almost guaranteed to have issues. Maybe it would have been more fair for him to switch to a more conventional desktop for the duration of the experiment.
I didn’t really see that affecting the market share of Linux much either way. Luke who has a normal desktop also had his fair share of more minor issues and so did I when I ran fedora for a bit over half a year on my desktop last year ago, as a similar experiment. What has and will affect the market share, positively too, is the steam deck, which Linus is also a big fan of.
I still use linux a lot in my daily life even if not on my desktop, my home server runs on TrueNAS scale and I have a couple projects running on raspberry pi’s (more probably coming). But for desktop use, I’ll let it cook for a couple more years before giving it another try. Running Linux on my desktop is absolutely my dream and end goal, but unfortunately it still has too many issues specifically for my (actually very broad) use case of video editing, Photo editing, 3D modeling, graphics design, gaming and more. If it was only one of those uses, I’d be able to fairly easily come by with solutions, but when it’s all of them combined, it adds up and becomes a real chore, unfortunately.
The whole point imo was supposed to be to test linux from a point of view of a regular user, and that while surely a bit extreme, isn’t too far from what might happen when a newbie stumbles on an issue (which may or may not happen depending on luck).
A regular linux user is expected to be familiar with the OS
I meant as a regular computer user who’s new to Linux. Like most of them would be.
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I think an Arch/Void/Gentoo challenge just for him (no oponent, just to get it working with everything he needs) is what he should do now… make the fucker sweat a little 😂.
“Compile from source 🤨? WTF is that?.. oh, you make the thingies that work in the OS from that thingie no one understands except the developers 😬… OK, let’s give it a try”… dependency errors all around… “OK, that’s it, I’m out!”
Actually, I think the opposite would be warranted. That Linux challenge was structured as “We’re going home, pulling the SSDs out of our computers, and with only Windows skills and knowledge we’re charging in unassisted and chin-first into using only Linux!”
What if they did a series of videos where Anthony teaches Linus or one of their other personalities how to use Linux as a gaming/productivity/creativity machine?
Anthony is now Emily
I would still like the idea of them trying Linux again but maybe with optimized hardware to go with it. Not everyone has special sound software/lighting setup etc Give them an AMD setup a keyboard mouse and headphones and let them game. Make them work around common issues for real people and not pseudo linuxish streamers. Give them tech support, be it internally or maybe some Linux content creators and see how that goes. That way we see more than “digitally sign a document, copy files and print” and make it 3 months not just one. Have them run into problems during use not just install once
Anthony is now Emily
Oh really? Must have announced that since I stopped watching LMG. She (they?) are still on the show?
I built my gaming rig with Linux in mind, and I went with an extremely average PC, Ryzen 3600/GTX-1080, and everything is working pretty well. It’s not hard to build a computer that works well with Linux, just aim for “very normal.”
As for the “digitally sign a document” chapter of the saga…1. I seem to recall that the challenge was badly designed in several ways. Like, “digitally sign a document” could mean copy-paste a .png of your handwriting, or do PGP encryption stuff, which is a topic society desperately needs to have a conversation about because we’re 30 years into the internet and we’re still faxing medical records but that’s beside the point. That “challenge” also “required” something like uploading a 3GB video file to Slack, and “Watch HDR video” which just outright wasn’t supported and was basically put there as a bad faith fuck you.
I think a series where someone prominent in the gaming/pc enthusiast space who learns Linux with the help of someone from the FOSS enthusiast space would be a worthwhile exercise. I’d love to see more PC gamers trying and successfully adopting Linux, and I’d like to see more Linux veterans excited to offer a friendly and helpful hand. I’d like to see those two communities come together in perhaps a friendlier and more constructive way.
Oh really? Must have announced that since I stopped watching LMG. She (they?) are still on the show?
Not the OCer, but the last time I saw Emily was in a video posted to their personal channel. I stopped watching LTT a while ago so no idea if there’s been any presence in videos since then.
Kind of miss the linux videos and more in-depth tech content. And some of the other interesting personalities like Luke, Riley, Jake etc.
The thing with LTT is, on top of the well known controversies, LTT’s current production themes aren’t of much interest to me personally, not helped by the PC hardware market being so stagnant. Instead of upgrading my ancient 1060, I opted to purchase a Steam Deck instead - mainly because it runs Linux, supports Steam Input, supports charge limiting on the internal BMS, and given Valve’s track record with obsolete devices (my two Steam Link boxes still recieve updates, and they were discontinued years ago) I was pretty firmly sold.
The games that won’t work on my Deck are games that I wouldn’t purchase anyway (Not a fan of DRM), and every single “unsupported” game that I’ve been interested in so far has worked just fine under Proton-GE. One demo game didn’t support the Deck’s 1280x800 resolution, so I just changed the Gamescope virtual resolution to 1080p in Steam’s game settings, and that solved it.
He will just do the same thing as last time. He is too lazy to look something up online so he will just give up and say it’s not ready yet.
Exactly. He doesn’t even bother, this thing doesn’t work out of the box = it’s broken.
While this would be funny to watch, it wouldn’t help Linux at all, quite the opposite actually because many have the impression of Linux in exactly that way.
So something like this would have to have a huge asterisk and constant clarification that this is “not the general state of Linux”
And that these are all poweruser distros, not something your average user deals with.
And windows is anything better?
Seriously, installed both Linux and windows and the Linux experience was 15 minutes eezie breezie, done. Windows 11 was an 6-7 hour hell hole of trying and retrying and having to make bios adjustments to requiring another windows machine (running in VirtualBox on my Linux install)
There is always something not ready with everything but Linux works pretty effin awesome and more importantly, reliable. It had been for at least the past 10 years (I’ve been using Linux exclusively for 20+ years now as my desktop even) and it’s improving every day.
I’m at the point where I’m seriously wondering why anyone would be dumb enough to pay actualoneu for horrendous crap like windows that will spy on you and serve you ads.
Just switch already.
The difference is, Windows no matter how shitty, is the supported OS and you can demand from your hw vendor or distributor that all features are accessible on it. I use Linux full time for 17 years and it works for me much better and I get everything done way easier than on Windows, sometimes it is as you say and I see other people using Windows computers to struggle with problems that I never had. But the reality is, Windows is what’s common for normies. If they have problem with it, they can just ask their family member/neighbor for help, or the shop where they bought their PC from.
Do you think using a steam deck counts? On one hand it is Linux, but on the other hand the default experience is more of a console than a PC.
If you ever go into the desktop to do anything at all I’d say you’re getting the Arch Linux experience.
If you stick to Steam games and skip everything else then no, it doesn’t.
This kind of gatekeeping is what scares people off.
Its not gatekeeping when if you don’t use the underlying Arch system you’re not getting the same experience as “using linux”.
Scares off from what exactly? They’re using some gaming system and don’t care about what’s running under the hood. They may be perfectly unaware that it’s Linux or what exactly it is and why should they even care.
We also know how to install Windows. Make him install openBSD
No, LFS.
RedStar OS ✊
And make him wear a full communist uniform while doing it!
openbsd isn’t hard to install, it’s easier than arch linux tbh
He actually doesn’t know how to install Linux. Or anything about it in fact. In fact, he knows frightening little about the tech he talks about.
There’s more to Linux than merely installing it though.
There was a time when you could learn something by watching his channel. But I unsubbed when every other episode was about his wife, his house, or some personal shit about his employees. Get the fuck out with that parasocial shit.
The house series was actually quite fun to watch, and you could learn a couple of things from it. But the other content except maybe factory tours and server stuff is just straight up advertising and boring.
I actually kinda liked that to be honest… kind of had a human touch…
I just didn’t like that everything was Windows centered. I started using Linux more and more and just didn’t find it as interesting as I did before.
He used to be a straight up IT support style channel that had a bunch of useful information about troubleshooting and configuration.
Now it’s just “watch us build our 5,837th gaming PC from Wish.com!” He’s officially gotten to the point where he has more money than ideas.
I can make it work, but I don’t have a clear idea of what I’m doing especially with the partitions. I`m still too used to thinking in drive letters.
Once it clicks you’ll think the drive letter thing is stupid. I can have 10 partitions from five different drives all seamlessly mounted on the filesystem on various paths and any program using them would be none the wiser.
Everything is a file. You can control all of your hardware just by writing data to different files.
On Windows you have C, D and COM1, COM2
On Linux and other *nixes you normally have /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/ttyUSB0
Titty USBs??? No wonder nerds love Linux!
Yeah, they come in “handy” 😂.
this doesn’t help at all
Edit to clarify: You’re just explaining back-end stuff that should be completely invisible to users (and normally is). The parent comment specifically mentioned partitions, when you install a new Linux OS the installer asks you “how do you want your drive split up? where do you want the swap, and how much?” etc etc. which a newbie can’t even begin to answer, it shouldn’t even ASK that if the user didn’t specifically choose to set this completely manually.
most installers for just works distros give you a recommended configuration that you can just click “yes” to
As another commentor said most Linux distros will do that for you.
If you still aren’t sure then the answer is generally: swap should be at least as big as you have RAM at least if you want to hibernate. If you don’t want to hibernate then you can make it smaller but it might impact system performance when low on memory.
For file systems they will often offer you LVM or ZFS or occasionally BTRFS as options. These all allow you to make system snapshots (like the concept of restore points in Windows). If you like the idea of that then say yes, otherwise you will get slightly better performance not using those systems. ZFS and BTRFS also have other uses like RAID-like functionality and detecting and possibly correcting data corruption - with only one drive these features are not as useful though.
BCacheFS is new to the mainline kernel and does much the same as ZFS and BTRFS, when distros start offering this as a supported option it’s probably a good idea to use this, kind of unfinished at the moment though.
Edit: also if it asks if you want a separate /home generally you want to say no. Unless it’s a btrfs subvolume or zfs dataset in which case say yes.
LVM has snapshot support 🤨? Is this a new thing?
ZFS and BTRFS also have other uses like RAID-like functionality and detecting and possibly correcting data corruption - with only one drive these features are not as useful though.
Yes they are. Regarding data integrity (bit rot or read/write errors) though. Regarding data backup, no.
BCacheFS is new to the mainline kernel and does much the same as ZFS and BTRFS, when distros start offering this as a supported option it’s probably a good idea to use this, kind of unfinished at the moment though.
I think kernel support is planned for version 6.7… I think.
Yeah it’s included in kernel 6.7. Still probably too new to really use as they are still working on certain features like erasure code/parity.
Without another drive it can’t rebuild data, so all it can do is detect corruption not correct it.
Yeah, that is still too unsable in real world scenarios.
Still, it’s great that people are doing this from scratch, not just build on what Oracle throws at us. I do wish they address the RAID5/6 issue properly, not just throw it under the carpet like BTRFS. I did hear that they are working on fixing RAID5/6 in BTRFS, but I haven’t looked at how far things are. I still use it with mdadm in the background for the array.
I would just stick to the defaults.
Systems don’t always give defaults. That’s what the guy I am replying to is complaining about.
It’s not exactly backend. It’s how UNIX like OSes work. Sooner or later, you’re gonna have to learn this. The idea behind what @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip said was (IMO) better have this in the back of your mind when it comes to Linux, cuz you’re gonna need it sooner or later. Just keep it tucked away for when the time comes.
The Linux mint installer does this automatically. All you need to choose is whether you want to wipe your drive or install along side a existing os
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To be fair, I haven’t thought about the USB low-levei devices in years. Nowadays most things just work, and if they don’t you do a quick
lsusbto check it actually sees the device then you Google what package you need to install.Yeah… compiling from source to get a kernel module loaded is a part of the past now. Though we still do it from time to time, for some obscure pieces of hardware (like my Microtek scanner 😒), but things just generally work out of the box.
That’s actually one of my biggest gripes with Linux, it seems very difficult to keep track of physical drives and their mount points for when you need to swap things out. I still find it a bit cumbersome, and I’ve been using Linux since 2005.
lsblk is not enough? It shows drives, partitions and their mount points. It also shows multiple mount points if one partition is mounted in multiple places (e.g. via btrfs subvolumes)
I prefer monolithic systems because I can put the discs wherever I want. Using
lsblkor just themountcommand you get a list of all the mountpoints of different devices.Admittedly, the names of the devices can be confusing but it’s something I have gotten accustomed to.
mount
proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
dev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=8141320k,nr_inodes=2035330,mode=755,inode64)
run on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,mode=755,inode64)
efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
/dev/sdb2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime)
securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,inode64)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
cgroup2 on /sys/fs/cgroup type cgroup2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,nsdelegate,memory_recursiveprot)
pstore on /sys/fs/pstore type pstore (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
bpf on /sys/fs/bpf type bpf (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,mode=700)
systemd-1 on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=37,pgrp=1,timeout=0,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct,pipe_ino=22556)
tracefs on /sys/kernel/tracing type tracefs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
hugetlbfs on /dev/hugepages type hugetlbfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,pagesize=2M)
mqueue on /dev/mqueue type mqueue (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
configfs on /sys/kernel/config type configfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,noatime,inode64)
/dev/sda2 on /mnt/tera-home type ext4 (rw,relatime)
/dev/sdb1 on /boot/efi type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /run/user/1000 type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=1629900k,nr_inodes=407475,mode=700,uid=1000,gid=1001,inode64)
gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1001)
portal on /run/user/1000/doc type fuse.portal (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1001)Yes I can see that’s very convenient for seeing your drives. 😜
Of course you have to filter out filesystems without a format like ext*, ntfs or FAT as they don’t represent external disks.
mountalso doesn’t let you see unmounted devices, that’s why I uselsblkThat’s why grep also exists 😒.
Yes, grep is cool, but I use/need it so rarely, I can never remember the syntax.
My system has functioned so reliably for years, that I hardly ever need to do any fixing or configuration.
The only need for maintenance, is basically hardware upgrades. 👍 Pretty amazing IMO. 😀Start using a more “terminal heavy” distro, you’ll learn the syntax by hart 😂.
Or just try and do more of the things you usually do with a GUI, over the terminal. I initially learned that so many things are just better done over the terminal. Why? Cuz the GUI doesn’t usually have all of the options. This is usually not the case with Windows because almost everything is GUI based, Windows doesn’t actually have an equivalent of what the terminal is in UNIX like OSes. That’s why it has the CMD/PS/WSL mess that it has now. The combo of the three of them tend to replace what the terminal is in UNIX like OSes.
In the end, even they admitted (not publically of course) that true power comes from using a terminal/command line based tools. You can specify to do almost any combo of switches, something that a GUI can almost never do, especially with complex programs, like let’s say, ffmpeg. Can you imagine how complicated a GUI would be if every possible combo of command line arguments can be made with said GUI? It’ll be better off to just use the terminal, lol 😂.
I very rarely need to do anything in the terminal that takes more than a couple of minutes. I grew up with terminal based systems, and IMO nothing will ever beat the Amiga in clever design and nice terminal with way more intuitive commands. I never really liked Unix, and Linux is essentially like Unix when you use the Terminal.
I’ve been using computers since 1979, so I admit I don’t play with them like I used to.
Everything should be mounted in fstab. Post your cat /etc/fstab.
I’m betting it’s pretty easy to read.
Devices you mount after startup like external USB don’t show up in fstab do they?
No and since systemd you actually can have an empty fstab file too (booting via solely automounting is possible)
No, their mount points are usually in
/run/media/[username]/[partition_label]… or if it doesn’t have a label, the UUID of the partition.
Yes, I know, but that’s not automatic, and automatic mount-points vary for removable drives based on DE and distro.
That’s a very large amount of things to show up. Maybe use lsblk instead? Reminds me of snaps.
I just removed snapd and snapd-glib and the list is 3 lines shorter.
I don’t have Ubuntu snap, or anything called snaps installed. I’m using Manjaro, but if snap was there originally I have removed it. No way I’d use that.
lsblk is better, but still a bit confusing:
bh /mnt/tera-home/home/bh lsblk
NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
sda 8:0 0 931,5G 0 disk
ââsda1 8:1 0 300M 0 part
ââsda2 8:2 0 922,4G 0 part /mnt/tera-home
ââsda3 8:3 0 8,8G 0 part
sdb 8:16 0 238,5G 0 disk
ââsdb1 8:17 0 300M 0 part /boot/efi
ââsdb2 8:18 0 238,2G 0 part /
sdc 8:32 0 931,5G 0 disk
ââsdc1 8:33 0 931,5G 0 part
sdd 8:48 0 698,6G 0 disk
ââsdd1 8:49 0 512M 0 part
ââsdd2 8:50 0 698,1G 0 part
sde 8:64 0 256,2G 0 diskWhat’s the weirdo “ââ” for? It would look 10 times better without.
Edit:
Ah apparently a terminal character compatibility problem, it’s supposed to be a graphics character showing indentation. 🤷♀️OK I have something called snapd, which I may want to remove.
extra/snapd 2.61.1-1 [installed]
Service and tools for management of snap packages.
You don’t need to. It is handled automatically. When I plug in a drive it mounts automatically. If I want to unmount or mount partitions I just open up gnome disks and click the toggle mount button.
Under the hood I believe it is just udev rules I think.
You don’t need to. It is handled automatically.
No it’s not, and you still need to identify what data is on what drive when swapping. I am not aware of a distro where a drive is auto-mounted with write privileges after you install it.
Most will require you to just enter your user’s password when mounting, that’s it. Though, yes, your user has to be in the storage group, otherwise you might not get full read/write access (unless you mount with sudo manually that is), especially if it’s a real disk, not a USB drive. Even physical discs comnected over USB usually have no problems with persmissions, but ones connected via SATA or M2, yeah, those can have permission read/write issues (user credentials required).
Also wise, though most distros don’t do this: add your local user to the storage and networking groups. Makes setting things up a lot easier. Otherwise, you’d have to use root/sudo to do most of these things.
I should if you use a GUI. Normally the largest partition is mounted automatically.
What? Are you talking removable drives? Because there is no distro I’m aware of, that automatically mounts a newly installed disk.
Also usually systems don’t grant write privileges for EXT4 or other security featured formats. But only for FAT32 and ExFAT and other “lesser” formats.
So often you have to switch to root, and grant those privileges to your user account.
Worst Linus.
Linus is just a windows fanboy, just like i am a linux fanboy
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Reddit has such a hard-on for LTT, but I’ve found their videos kinda insufferable for… 10 years? Then after the GN/heatsink selling (sorry fans, ”AUCTIONING” …) I knew they were poo.
The sexual harassment stuff didn’t help either.
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dye a hero
Yes… but what colour?
Sorry what? He still does the first two and I have no idea what you’re referencing with the view% comment.
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Fair enough, I don’t watch their sponsored videos and am not going to to check this, so I can’t comment on how misleading they are. I just don’t like how many they do of those and how hard it is to tell them apart from the regular content/reviews. That said, I’ve never seen it affect their videos or opinions outside of the sponsor spot. Linus will still say whatever he wants in other videos, especially on WAN, and if there is an issue with a company then they cease sponsors with them. They’ve demonstrated that with Anker and their Eufy products.
I was primarily confused in your original comment because you mentioned watercooling a room. They still do big/stupid projects like this, such as Linus watercooling via his pool, it’s just hard to find amongst the filler garbage. You also mentioned dunking on companies, which he still does when they do stupid shit, though rarely via a dedicated video.
Thanks for explaining your point, I was fully expecting to be ghosted after the first downvote…
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
This is why I would never do anything like that for money. I either do it for the fun of it, or don’t do it at all. I can stop at any time. Hey, it’s been a fun ride, but I’m over this 🤷. I’ve made an archive of the videos, in case this channel gets pulled down some day. Goodbye and fairwell 👋.
Where do you get that idea from?
I mean… isn’t it obvious?
I mean…if I thought it was obvious, I obviously wouldn’t be asking. What seems obvious is that you’re deflecting because you don’t actually have an answer.
He uses Windows for almost anything. The things he does use that are not Windows based are very few and he doesn’t usually explain in detail what they are… because he doesn’t know what they are.
Being a primarily-Windows user is not the same thing as being a Windows “fanboy”.
He is a Windows fanboy. He praises how some things are so simple to achieve in Windows (no doubt there, some things are), but lacks to mention how complicated others are… like let’s say get rid or old updates… which used to be a real problem until a few years ago (I now understand that it is again a problem in Windows 11).
He praises how some things are so simple to achieve in Windows
He almost never even talks about Mac or Linux so, simple compared to what?
Using an OS suited to his needs (gaming/content creation) isn’t being a fanboy, it’s using the best possible tools for the job. Linux is still a worse gaming experience than windows, no matter what way you try to sell it
So, what you’re saying is, people doing Linux related YT videos are not Linux fanboys, they’re just using the best possible tools for the job.
From every linux related ltt video or wan show I’ve seen. My personal favourite is probably a video about AtlasOS, where he presents modified windows os with many security vulnerabilities and makes some comment like “who needs linux when you have this!” (not actual citation, dont remeber exact wording, feel free to check it out)
tbh before i really cared about tech stuff i thought it was linux tech tips lmao
Hehe me too!
There is always butthurt about him. He’s a normal user and folks can’t cope that Linux desktop is a mess for the average user.
XXXX year of the Linux desktop.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
It’s not terrible, it’s unfamiliar.
I for one find the mess of workarounds to make Windows tolerable very unintuitive. And scouring the web to find an installer for a program.
I learned young and became a power user of GNU/Linux. So I’m familiar with it. Way more than I am with Windows.
If people learn on Windows well into adulthood, then that’s what they’re going to be familiar with. The challenge is getting users to accept that things will work differently. It’s not a technical problem most of the time anymore, but a familiarity one.
I think if more people learned about the importance of software freedom (like being able to take a program to any programmer like a car to a mechanic, no nasty behaviour, etc) a lot more would at least try to familiarise themselves with it.
Many people here are using Linux desktop as their normal PC without any issues, for years. I have been happily gaming on it for about 8 years. You probably don’t know how Linux desktop is for an average user nowadays. Our retired parents are using it too.
What part about normal did you miss? The folks on lemmy are about as far from the average user as you get.
My kids use Linux. They are 5 and 7. They do just fine. They are “normal”… as in just beginner users.
The 5 year old only cares where Steam is, and where the games are in the menu.
The 7 year old is a master at it all already. He’s installing Minecraft mods all the time… downloading, unzipping the mods… running java -jar XYZ from the terminal… yeah I had to show him the first time, but TBH, I didn’t show it all to him. He read up on how it works and watched YouTube videos on it.
It’s all about what you’re used to and if you’re actually interested in learning the bits. Normal is what? Someone who treats the computer as an appliance? Yeah… with those users as long as the machine actually works… they don’t care what the underlying OS is… OSX? Windows 11? some Linux distro? It’s all the same to them. The computer is a magic machine that does things and they have no clue how or why.
Exactly!
I’m gonna get my 4 year old onboard as well, soon. He’s still too young, but slowly, he will grasp the basics.
It’s amazing how quickly they get it.
LemmyIsFantastic is a corporate shill or an unpaid troll. Don’t bother wasting your breath.
You are getting downvoted, perhaps users don’t like to be called “un-normal”.
It is very clear that by normal you meant average.
Lemmy and Linux users should be intelligent enough to understand the context of your initial message…
This particular user seems to be a corporate shill. I hope they are getting paid for their advocacy of the malware infested OS that steals private data of paid users. At least then they wouldn’t be dumb. This user is consistently arguing that piracy is theft in other threads but will go bat for corporations. Companies that have stolen a lot more from tax money, environment, wage theft, lobbying politicians to artificially stiffle competition, lying to congress about data theft, etc.
Edit: I meant LemmyIsFantastic not you
Or you just disagree with them and can’t fathom why anyone would ever have a differing opinion? You don’t have to go around calling anyone who disagrees with you a corporate shill to every single person replying to him.
They’ve said nothing that isn’t reasonable. Piracy is theft. So is stealing art and data for training.
Linux desktop nowadays is not a matter of having above average computer knowledge, it’s a matter of habit. People/companies used Windows because they are used to it so it seems easy, but it’s not actually easier than noob friendly Linux. As an illustration many of us made our children or parents use Linux, it shows how easy it is.
I know, I know, it’s stupid easy unless you do something like buy an Nvidia card or use flatpack. I was dumb enough to use xdotool to get my track pad in unbusted, but dumb ass me had to use YDOTOOL🤦♂️ because Wayland!
That fixed it for you no? Why are you still bitching about it like a whiney little kid. Go cry to Nvidia.
Lost the conversation huh? I know it’s hard to follow.
Reeally depends what you consider for normal use. If you just plan to use some office programs and network without being required to use ms format then what not love there. You often even have thr office programs preinstalled
I don’t see any job listing “Libre Office skills” but “Microsoft Excel skills” though.
Define “Normal”.
Linux is fantastic for the low end user that really needs a calculator and a web browser. It really only has pain points for people in the mid tier that don’t understand technology, but have to use it a lot for work. It’s a big old bell curve.
True but most people are in that middle group of users. I thought my mom would always be below it, so I set her up with Ubuntu and showed her how to open the web browser. But it wasn’t long before her siblings were suggesting she install a mahjong app to play with them, or goofy camera filters for their video calls. After being reasonably sure they weren’t spyware, I still had to break the bad news to her: “Sorry mom, Windows only.”
She’s currently running a refurbished ThinkPad with Windows 10 pro.
🙄 oh God here we go with not understanding tech.
You can understand technology and dislike Linux DE. It’s so condescending.
“Linux DE” is not a thing. There is no one “Linux DE”.
If you understood technology, you would explicitly know why tracking within windows is dangerous. Either way. Its not a very good look for you.
🙄🙄🙄
Again with the condescension. Assuming your values have anything to do with my technical skill.
Your technical skills won’t save you from your own loud mouth
Hmm you seem to denigrate people for not understanding tech while seemingly giving up your privacy and $100 for Microsoft.
Do you understand not being ripped off?
Nah. I’ve never had to spend hours dicking around fixing Wayland. That’s worth its weight in gold.
Nobody is breaking Wayland except seemingly you. What are you doing that Wayland breaks for you regularly?
Edit: You know, Now I understand Microsoft’s business model. There’s always a fool like you to buy their spyware and then go to bat for them for free.
👌👍🤣
It’s not a mess. If you install an appropriate distro, say Ubuntu or Linux Mint, the average user would be just fine using it. Judging it based on installing it is being disingenuous. The average user isn’t installing an operating system, Windows or Linux. You know OS installation gets handled by someone that knows what they are doing regardless of what OS it is.
yeah, as a video/media guy, I’m still hard stuck on windows. it’s just not viable to make enough money and say no to the jobs that require adobe. you’ll just go hungry if you try…
Linus Torvalds himself also said this and basically positied he thinks Valve will be the company that brings us to a working desktop ecosystem by deciding on a universal desktop app packaging format.
I saw a video recently about the history of x11 development from retro bytes on YouTube and it is pretty much exemplary of the nature of open source development. I think I understand this whole conundrum a bit better.
Flatpack really had solved packaging IMO.
True, also worth mentioning appimage, like flatpak but portable
Appimage may be the closest thing to the “executable” that Linus is talking about in that specific conference I mentioned.
Debconf14 QA with Linus Torvalds
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It was only after becoming acustom to linux that I realized how horrifically insecure executables are.
If Windows used repositories, there would be way less old folks with malware.
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I think its just a matter of taste. I’ve used Linux for a long time and I will choose GNOME or Cinnamon over anything any day.
I also appreciate that I don’t need a online account and everything I do isn’t being analysised.
The telemetry thing got really out of hand. Me spending more time on blocking shit instead of actually using the OS… sorry, but I’d rather invest that time in learning something new than trying to circumvent things that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Not to mention Windows constantly battering you to sign in and to buy office 365.
Those things could be circumvented easily by just using the LTSC editions (which is what I always install for personal use), but it still bleeds out a lot of personal data to MS unless you disable services and block shit.
I dual boot, but to be honest, I haven’t booted in Windows for a long long time, probably a few months. I use it at work (because it’s easier, everything’s MS centered) and that’s about it.
There is also the thing with app capabilities in Win11 which pissed the hell out of me. Basically, if the app says that they can open this or that extension, it’s not like in previous versions of Windows where you can choose which app is used to open this or that file type. It flat out BLOCKS other apps that are not a part of the OS (like media players) and you basically have no choice but to use the integrated ones. I just gave up, I have no intention of looking for a solution to this. I’m waiting for the Win11 LTSC edition, maybe that will have this issue fixed, maybe not, still, I will only boot to it if I have no other choice. So, yeah, I will have it installed, but it’s a just in case scenario, if everything else fails.
It’s absolutely fine for most normal users, the exception being people that need to run proprietary software that only runs on windows
That’s a significant portion of people. Anyone using an Adobe product, playing half of the top 10 games on steam or using any proprietary hardware is basically locked out.
“Using any proprietary hardware”
Yeah, wrong. Free drivers have been written for most hardware. Maybe except the absolute newest because we haven’t had enough time. But if you’re buying the latest and greatest hardware every time it comes out, you really ought to be looking at the waste you are producing.
I’m using a near 8 year old audio interface that still can’t support Linux. Plenty of hardware doesn’t support it. Community support never covers every use case.
I said most.
You said any proprietary hardware is unsupported. Which is flat out wrong.
Linux is fantastic for running shit. It’s pretty terrible for most normal users to use.
Skill issue.
Imagine insulting someone who said “this sucks for normal user” with get gud 🤣
Absolutely fantastic. We’ve really gone full circle.
Apparently being responsible for your own computer is too much to ask. It’s not so difficult to manage a linux install. In fact, its much easier and smoother if you are willing to become familiar with how things work. But whining that linux OS broke like Linus Sebastian from LTT when you can’t read and take responsibility is like complaining that the car didn’t save you when you crashed a manual honda civic expecting it to perform like a autopilot car. Its asinine and illogical.
We all grew up with windows and became familiar with it as that was the only choice. To insult linux and its users just because you want 100% perfection from an OS people build as a hobby for free is quite ignorant and entitled. If you don’t like linux stop commenting on programming forums.
The year of the linux desktop for me started in 2009 when I first installed ubuntu and it has been the year of the linux desktop for me since then. I have learnt to fix flaws in my system. I know what its limitations are. I don’t expect linux to fix all my problems. But i certainly do recommend it to newbies even if it might frustrate them. I expect them to take it or leave it. I don’t insult their intelligence by assuming they definitely need handholding.
Microsoft poured several billions by now into windows and it’s only getting worse day by day. If you suggest that Windows is best for daily users then it is clear that you’re just insulting people’s intelligence instead of uplifting them.
I stopped at line 1. Yes. You finally get it. It’s an appliance. It is too much to ask me to dick around being responsible for my os. I’m glad we’re making progress.
You should blame software makers and hardware vendors. Not Linux. There isn’t a Linux company that pays for vendor lock-in.
Doesn’t matter in the least bit when talking about the viability.
100%
I really don’t give a flying fuck about software privacy or open source anything. I want my computer to work with the software I need for my job, and Linux doesn’t, so it’s a non-viable OS
You’re barking up the wrong tree then. I don’t know why you would do that when you claim to be a pragmatic person. What’s exactly your beef? Care to tell me?
Oh boy you’re still hating on linux and shilking for big corp.
Yeah? Where’s the shilk? What’s a shilk?
Shilling + Milking = Shilking
Unhinged.
