there’s no meme, no spiel, that’s it.
Any tips on keeping your cool when people wave around Israeli flags during a pro-Palestine protest? I started shaking with adrenaline as if it was right before a fight. D:
Assuming you mean the Palestinian people and not Hamas, fuck yeah we do!
Hamas is no longer any sort of threat, and requiring written condemnation of their terror attack with every post about the current razing of Gaza indirectly reinforces the purported thesis behind Israel’s continued wonton destruction which is that Hamas is a threat, and Hamas will attack the moment the bombs stop.
but no, we do not support hamas
I’ve only recently started educating myself them, so this group may have some ugly things in their history I haven’t learned about yet, but -
There was/is a nationalist social democratic Palestinian organization that Hamas essentially chased out of town with support from Israeli religious conservatives, and I feel like people who want a free Palestine need to talk more about them, because social democratic sounds a hell of a lot better than whatever the hell Hamas’ policies are
The IDF wants Hamas to exist longer than the civilian population so they can “excuse” total genocide of Gaza
Netanyahu literally gave Hamas seed money because they don’t want a viable two state solution.
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if an average 196 community member stands among Palestinians, in Palestine, obeying Palestinian laws, how long would they last?
I don’t decide whether or not bombing children is moral based on how their parents feel about me. 🤷♂️
israel would probably bomb their home so not too long
Palestinians are quite liberal and progressive compared to other Arabs, and being gay is legal in the West Bank – that doesn’t mean that there’s no issues, this article about a planned LGBT youth camp gives a good impression. There’s allies, but keep your head down and out of sight of religious nutjobs. It’s pretty much the same thing atheists do over there: Plenty of them around with all that secular history but the religious nutjobs are simply too rabid to allow public discourse about the topic. It’s way easier to go the “secular Muslim” route: Fast, but not for Allah.
In Gaza the legal situation is undetermined (scholars disagree on whether British mandate law prohibiting gay sex still applies) but anyway Hamas is in power, they instituted a religious police, tried to enforce headscarfs, go after male hairdressers cutting women’s hairs without any legal basis etc. don’t look at the statute book Hamas doesn’t care and they’re crazy. Also you don’t want to go to Gaza right now. Also, you probably can’t even if you’re an UN aid worker.
If an average person is constantly subjected to food insecurity, lacking access to clean water and sanitation, lacking medical treatment, random injury and death through constant bombings, random injury and death of relatives and friends through constant bombings and limited access to education and working opportunities, how likely are they able to concern themselves with social progress?
If we look at western countries, social progress came in times of relative safety and wealth for the broad population, while reactionary politics came in times, where these were lowered or cut. It is no coincidence that reactionary politicians combine economic hardship for the masses with scapegoating and fighting against minorities.
The way to progressive politics in Gaza is paved with working infrastructure, proper access to basic needs and a perspective for social and personal development.
I’m not sure if you are attempting a platitude or are making a point, but to make a point your logic should be sound.
Your logic is that if an average first world person cannot live in a place comfortably, then you have an unstated implication that they should not receive support against death. Please correct if you were implying something else, would have been easier to know if you had spoken less vaguely.
Nonetheless regarding said “logic”, (TLDR it’s not logical) I don’t see the logical connection between the tourism experience of visiting a country under siege and how that determines whether the residents of that country should be exterminated.
If you were making a point, could you elaborate on this connection? If however you were attempting a platitude, no explanation needed, you succeeded.
They murder gay people, that was their point.
Ah great, well thank you for the explanation regarding their implication. That is helpful.
Do you happen to also understand if their position is logical, or is your meaning then, “They murder, so we must murder them, so that all of the murderers have been murdered.”
(Please correct the above if I am misunderstanding)
Because there is a bit of a problem with that sentiment as well.
I’m not stating that you take this position, so do not take this next statement as targeted at you, rather it is targeted at those who may hold the above sentiment. That is, progress is rarely generated from the barrel of a gun. Then we live in a world where B’s hate against A is justified, because A hates B. This is a perpetual cycle of endless violence and war, that is the end result of this type of thinking, and why these comments are so negative because a lot of us have lived long enough to see this cycle, every day, it does not end through bloodshed.
They make a valid point, that most of the residents of Gaza despise the rainbow community, and many of them would physically harm them given the chance.
With this in mind, it’s quite bizarre that a Lemmy community built around the rainbow community is formally in support of them. I personally think the best thing to do in this situation would have been to stay out of it.
Plenty of people in the rural southern Appalachian county I grew up in would and did physically harm me when given the chance. Am I supposed to be okay with bombing their kids and hospitals now or something?
I think the best thing to do in this situation is not bomb hospitals and children. 🤷♂️
Free Palestine !
Whatever’s left after Israel is done with its sanctioned genocide. Just to be clear by Israel I refer to Natanyau and his goons. Wether he represents the people of Israel is very debatable but not as much as Hamas which isn’t democratic like at all and doesn’t represent the Palestinians at all.
sorry for not making this post sooner, I’ve kind of been completely absent for the past 3+ months
I’ve kind of been completely absent for the past 3+ months
relatable tbh
Mossy your presence is very well appreciated, sporadic as it may be.
thank you. I really appreciate it
Based
based on what
Debian
Based on Iranian propaganda.
This us why we shoukd be making AI that is biased against the wealthy
what the fuck does that even mean
welcome back to 196, this is what you are returning to
Mecha Bernie Sanders, but as an AGI
What do you exactly mean by standing with Palistine? I’ve heard this sentence in so many contexts and everyone differs in the understanding of Palestine and standing with it.
Could you please answer me, @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone?
oh my god ok jesus fucking christ
It literally just means we don’t support the way Israel has historically bullied Palestine and its people, and that we especially stand against the current razing of gaza. I don’t really think that our announcement of “standing with” Palestine accomplishes much of substance; it’s more of a symbolic gesture. Do you have any further questions?
