• ZK686@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    The US is one of the largest countries on Earth, with all sorts of different crimes from different walks of life. Street gang or not, it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime. You think it’s bad now? Imagine if no one would wanted to be a cop. Imagine if every time a cop did something wrong, they were fired or imprisoned. We’d literally have no one wanting to do it. I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.

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      9 months ago

      That’s an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, the facts don’t quite align with your feelings.

      it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime

      Why do you believe this? Police forces as they exist today aren’t even as old as the US. Sure, the US wasn’t a bastion of freedom upon its founding but that wasn’t due to a lack of police. The absolute biggest factors for controlling neighborhood level crime are increasing public education and reducing the effects of poverty.

      I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.

      And this is the weirdest take right here. Freedom and strong, strict police forces are inversely related by definition. One could even point to the origin of many police departments as opposition to freedom.

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        9 months ago

        Feelings? What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago? I mean, there has to be law and order. Are you proposing we “loosen” up on things, and just hope people will get nicer?

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          Yes, feelings are when you think something works in a certain way without facts to back it up. Like the opinion that strict policing reduces crime. It’s a common opinion, but not one that is consistent with the facts.

          Do you think that Oakland, Chicago, and Detroit do not have police? Those cities have very harsh police departments and it’s not reducing crime. What those cities do have in common is a high poverty rate when geographically controlled and above average poverty rates for the US without even taking geography into account.

          What do I want? I want to make changes that comport to the facts of the world, not people’s feelings.

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          What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago?

          I’m willing to bet you’ve never left the suburbs of a Southern state.

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            9 months ago

            I live in California, I travel extensively for work. I’ve been to many major cities throughout the US… the inner cities are horrible. I’m thankful I live in a smaller city (not the suburbs) in California that 100% supports its police department, low crime rates, and community support for each other.