Kids are sad and have problems, people think this is because of cellphones, so they want to take away the kid’s cellphones, but maybe kids are sad because of other problems.
In general, there’s been lots of talk and bills related to regulating social media, a year or two ago it was “ban tik tok”, now it’s regulate social media and take away kid’s cellphones. Lot’s of talk about it, lots of time on the evening news about it. Meanwhile, nobody does anything about the big problems and the evening news wont mention them.
Yes kids are sad in part because of their cellphone, online harassment and bullying is worse than it’s ever been, it’s an issue in classes too and it’s one thing that can easily be fixed.
If the news you check don’t cover the other issues then change your news sources.
Edit: Funny that you ignored the comments in your link
Now you make OP sad and he has to look for different fediverse to find commenters that align with his view… Or maybe you need to find posts that make you supportive, idk…
This thread confuses me. Are you or GP suggesting I have a certain political leaning based on this post? I’m curious to know what you think that political leaning would be?
Given that social media usage has primarily resulted in right wing radicalization, it’s possible that your politics are informing your stance. However, I suspect this is more about your intelligence.
You’re not very bright, are you? Yes, communist authoritarians are competing for attention across the same medium. They’re just losing to the right-wing fascists. It’s bad from every angle.
Explain how taking a kid’s phone away makes them more capable of defending against online harassment. That seems super counterintuitive. If a kid doesn’t have a cell phone their bullies can spread whatever rumours they want online and it won’t be challenged or reported.
I think a lot of those things are good. Limit cellphones in schools, good. Require websites to put a “content rating” in their HTML responses which would help make filtering the internet a lot easier, good. Require cellphone manufacturers to give instructions on how parents can setup filters on their children’s phones, good.
Require all adults to upload their government papers before participating in the most important speech forum of our time, bad. I think the laws created to “protect the children” aren’t really about protecting children (not exactly a hot take).
I have a challenge for you, and then a prediction:
My challenge is to look at this graph and form a world view that explains it. Certainly there’s more behind these numbers than cellphones. Suicide rates were also high around 1990, why?
My prediction is that if we take away kid’s cellphones, it will not actually help them and they will still be unhappy, and people will throw up their hands and say “what more can we do?”. Well, what more we can do is address those big problems in the first panel of my meme.
I see that and I think both can’t be compared as the curve is much more concerning at the moment so it would be illogical to assume the reason why it’s going up must be similar.
Otherwise just look at the people in power and the geopolitical situation at the time. Increases during Republican mandates (public services reduced) except for under GWB where the US had “something to fight for”.
That first chart I posted made it look like suicide rates were going into exponential growth recently, but “the curve” does plateau and seem to hover around the 1990’s levels. See following chart, also, note how this chart makes things look unprecedented because they cut off the 1990s.
Sure but it still doesn’t prove that the reason why it increased is the same as it was in the 80s though, the only way we could know isn’t with those two graphics but by analyzing the reasons why they do it. You’re coming to a conclusion without enough information, that’s very dangerous.
I think blaming cellphones, and even blaming social media to some extent, is like blaming video games in the 90’s. There’s lots of opinions, lots of “experts” who also have opinions, and not a lot of scientifically valid research to support those opinions. This is what I’m making fun of in the meme.
You say that is “very dangerous”, maybe. I’ll note that (at the time of writing) I’m the only one who has linked to anything in support of my views and conclusions. So my views are, apparently, the least “dangerous” in the thread.
Kids are sad and have problems, people think this is because of cellphones, so they want to take away the kid’s cellphones, but maybe kids are sad because of other problems.
See: https://lemmy.world/post/12059331
In general, there’s been lots of talk and bills related to regulating social media, a year or two ago it was “ban tik tok”, now it’s regulate social media and take away kid’s cellphones. Lot’s of talk about it, lots of time on the evening news about it. Meanwhile, nobody does anything about the big problems and the evening news wont mention them.
Yes kids are sad in part because of their cellphone, online harassment and bullying is worse than it’s ever been, it’s an issue in classes too and it’s one thing that can easily be fixed.
If the news you check don’t cover the other issues then change your news sources.
Edit: Funny that you ignored the comments in your link
Now you make OP sad and he has to look for different fediverse to find commenters that align with his view… Or maybe you need to find posts that make you supportive, idk…
I’ll go with the first option and continue calling out people who see the world in black and white.
“They ban cellphones instead of taking care of the environment!”
As if a government is unable to take care of more than one thing at a time.
The list of governments currently tackling the actually important issues:
Sometimes you have to view the world as black and white to create a good meme. For more nuanced discussion, try non-meme communities.
Implying this was a good meme.
If you didn’t want to generate a discussion on a political subject then you shouldn’t have posted a political meme.
lemmy.world really did become a cesspool of rightwing cancer, huh?
This thread confuses me. Are you or GP suggesting I have a certain political leaning based on this post? I’m curious to know what you think that political leaning would be?
Given that social media usage has primarily resulted in right wing radicalization, it’s possible that your politics are informing your stance. However, I suspect this is more about your intelligence.
Bro, the modern communist movement operates over Twitter. Are you suggesting communism is right-wing somehow?
You’re not very bright, are you? Yes, communist authoritarians are competing for attention across the same medium. They’re just losing to the right-wing fascists. It’s bad from every angle.
Cool, that’s the end of this conversation then. I hope your day is as pleasant as you are.
Explain how taking a kid’s phone away makes them more capable of defending against online harassment. That seems super counterintuitive. If a kid doesn’t have a cell phone their bullies can spread whatever rumours they want online and it won’t be challenged or reported.
I think a lot of those things are good. Limit cellphones in schools, good. Require websites to put a “content rating” in their HTML responses which would help make filtering the internet a lot easier, good. Require cellphone manufacturers to give instructions on how parents can setup filters on their children’s phones, good.
Require all adults to upload their government papers before participating in the most important speech forum of our time, bad. I think the laws created to “protect the children” aren’t really about protecting children (not exactly a hot take).
I have a challenge for you, and then a prediction:
My challenge is to look at this graph and form a world view that explains it. Certainly there’s more behind these numbers than cellphones. Suicide rates were also high around 1990, why?
My prediction is that if we take away kid’s cellphones, it will not actually help them and they will still be unhappy, and people will throw up their hands and say “what more can we do?”. Well, what more we can do is address those big problems in the first panel of my meme.
I see that and I think both can’t be compared as the curve is much more concerning at the moment so it would be illogical to assume the reason why it’s going up must be similar.
Otherwise just look at the people in power and the geopolitical situation at the time. Increases during Republican mandates (public services reduced) except for under GWB where the US had “something to fight for”.
That first chart I posted made it look like suicide rates were going into exponential growth recently, but “the curve” does plateau and seem to hover around the 1990’s levels. See following chart, also, note how this chart makes things look unprecedented because they cut off the 1990s.
Sure but it still doesn’t prove that the reason why it increased is the same as it was in the 80s though, the only way we could know isn’t with those two graphics but by analyzing the reasons why they do it. You’re coming to a conclusion without enough information, that’s very dangerous.
Speaking of “enough information”:
I think blaming cellphones, and even blaming social media to some extent, is like blaming video games in the 90’s. There’s lots of opinions, lots of “experts” who also have opinions, and not a lot of scientifically valid research to support those opinions. This is what I’m making fun of in the meme.
You say that is “very dangerous”, maybe. I’ll note that (at the time of writing) I’m the only one who has linked to anything in support of my views and conclusions. So my views are, apparently, the least “dangerous” in the thread.