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    Ah, so since one of your two options doesn’t give you everything you want, you’ve decided that you’re okay with the one that wants to take away everything you have. Cool story, good luck with that.

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      No, it doesn’t have to be everything I want.

      It has to be supporting policies that reduce the disparity in wealth, not exacerbate it.

      Looking at how many people actually vote for 3rd parties puts into perspective how many people actually want to solve this issue.

      Also, try letting people use their own words. You were wrong about your assumptions and hyperbole, but i think instead of admitting you’re wrong you’re just going to assume more.

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        Looking at how many people actually vote for 3rd parties puts into perspective how many people actually want to solve this issue.

        …effectively no-one, as far as country-wide population statistics are concerned? What percentage of the vote went third-party in the last three elections? Gary Johnson (8 years ago) got a whole 3%, and that was massive compared to anyone in the past 30 years… basically unprecedented. Those numbers barely broke 1% last time.

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          Yes. That’s my point. A ridiculously minuscule amount of people actually want to reduce the disparity in wealth.

          Support for 3rd parties exemplifies that.

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            I’m sorry, but no, it doesn’t. Most people are just living in a reality where voting third-party gets the worst option elected, because that’s historically its only effect.

            Look, I’m not gonna fight you, it’s clear that your mind is made up. Just think about the probability of your choices, and think about how much you appreciate the ability to even vote… because that’s the actual argument, here. Trump has laid out his plans, and you’re welcome to ignore them, but most people don’t have that luxury, they need to vote in ways that don’t have a chance to lead to their culling.

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              because that’s historically its only effect.

              Yeah, that’s my entire point. 3rd parties don’t win because they actually support policies that reduce the disparity in wealth.

              These problems do not get solved because we don’t want to solve them.

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            You’re making false assumptions about what people’s voting habits say about what they want, drawing absurd conclusions as a result, and then doubling down on your false assumptions even when real people tell you what they want why they vote the way they do. Here’s a clue for you: other people know their own beliefs and motivations a hell of a lot better than you do. It’s supremely arrogant for you to think otherwise.

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              Here’s a clue for you: other people know their own beliefs and motivations a hell of a lot better than you do.

              I wish you could say that to most of the people replying to me assuming I’m a trump supporter, lol.

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                  Tribalists can, and will, believe whatever they want.

                  It would be foolish of me to change myself to please them.

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                You might not be a Trump supporter, but your actions support Trump. That’s not really debatable.

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                    Literally yes, in the voting system that the US has. This isn’t some ideological hill I’m dying on, this is basic statistics and understanding of elections.