To be fair, there is and has been a KDE spin. I can see an argument for gnome, as it’s overall the simpler environment. Simple defaults has been fedoras thing for a long time.
Things could change. That why it was brought up for debate. The debate could have concluded that changing defaults is not the right move.
It really is a branding issue.
And what would be the trademark(!) issue? The default desktop edition is called “Fedora Workstation”, not “Fedora Gnome”, so the branding is not tied to Gnome in any way. Seems more like an attempt to kill a discussion where the popular vote might be undesirable.
The vote likely would of favored gnome. Fedora is enterprise oriented and focuses on being a new version of the stable enterprise. KDE changes very quickly and they do not fix bugs before introducing new features.
If anything the alternative would be xfce4 but that’s not viable for other reasons.
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt in that they misspoke when saying trademark. Clearly it’s not that, but those nuances are not universally known.
And branding is not something up to popular vote. It’s, by definition, an image someone or some organization wants to project to the public. To them, they have spins for other DEs/WMs and that’s enough. And why wouldn’t it be?
The suggestion wasn’t about changing branding. It was about changing one default, just like when PipeWire replaced PulseAudio or when btrfs was elected to be the default FS. The product would still be called Fedora Workstation and kept its trademarks, logos,…
To them, they have spins for other DEs/WMs and that’s enough. And why wouldn’t it be?
Who is “them”? Clearly not the Fedora community or the community-elected Engineering Steering Committee. The ability to vote on that was taken away from them by one person unilaterally declaring that. FESCO would have decided to just keep Gnome. Looks to me like that one person would not wan to take any chances that the community-elected committee might vote differently.
I came to Linux, started with random DistroWatch recommendations, then used Ubuntu based, thinking it was the most supported.
Then dared to use something else, right at the edge of modern but well supported, that was Fedora.
Came to Linux, found KDE on Manjaro and searched for a well working but not antique KDE Distro. Found it with Kinoite.
Not a single GNOME on that way :D
You can argue that GNOME is only used that much because it is “Workstation”. Literally doesnt even include the DE name.
But I see how RedHat really needs a testing ground, and I also see how GNOME is a desktop with quite a lot corpo stuff directly integrated. If I needed active directory, Exchange etc, it would be the best option.
Also, not having many options is great for a corpo DE.
I don’t understand the simpler argument. Installing and using extensions and gnome-tweaks to change basic settings is not simpler. And I strongly dislike a large number of defaults.
With KDE Plasma, defaults make more sense to me so I barely have to change configuration. If I really need to, the setting is there and easily used.
Since KDE changed to dbl-click by default, the only thing I change is Numlock on boot. 10 seconds to fix, and I know it’ll stay changed because KDE is allergic to removing user settings.
Wait are you saying is Gnome is better for enterprise environments cause it’s harder for the users to mess things up? If so, yeah I can see that. It’s perfect for the simple-minded. Not saying that all Gnomes are simpletons, just that I too would rather have some boomers Gnome.
In the old days distros used to separate the location of binaries in several places like /bin/sbin/usr/bin and /usr/sbin there was this idea that system binaries would go in /sbin while the rest in /bin and the similar dirs in /usr were so that you could mount a separate drive to store more binaries. This is from a time where storage was an issue.
These days distros usually just symlink all those locations to /usr/bin with the exception of fedora, which still keeps some split.
To be fair, there is and has been a KDE spin. I can see an argument for gnome, as it’s overall the simpler environment. Simple defaults has been fedoras thing for a long time.
They could make that argument then and not just close the topic by declaring it a trademark issue.
Fedora is recognized as the Gnome distro, though. It really is a branding issue.
Things could change. That why it was brought up for debate. The debate could have concluded that changing defaults is not the right move.
And what would be the trademark(!) issue? The default desktop edition is called “Fedora Workstation”, not “Fedora Gnome”, so the branding is not tied to Gnome in any way. Seems more like an attempt to kill a discussion where the popular vote might be undesirable.
The vote likely would of favored gnome. Fedora is enterprise oriented and focuses on being a new version of the stable enterprise. KDE changes very quickly and they do not fix bugs before introducing new features.
If anything the alternative would be xfce4 but that’s not viable for other reasons.
No need to kill it then. Obviously the Red Hat representative got cold feet.
Fedora describes itself as a community-led distribution, not as a corporate beta test for RHEL: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/
The enterprise is part community. Rocky is part of the community.
Rocky Linux is part of the Fedora community? WTF?
What WTF? They are part of the community
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt in that they misspoke when saying trademark. Clearly it’s not that, but those nuances are not universally known.
And branding is not something up to popular vote. It’s, by definition, an image someone or some organization wants to project to the public. To them, they have spins for other DEs/WMs and that’s enough. And why wouldn’t it be?
The suggestion wasn’t about changing branding. It was about changing one default, just like when PipeWire replaced PulseAudio or when btrfs was elected to be the default FS. The product would still be called Fedora Workstation and kept its trademarks, logos,…
Who is “them”? Clearly not the Fedora community or the community-elected Engineering Steering Committee. The ability to vote on that was taken away from them by one person unilaterally declaring that. FESCO would have decided to just keep Gnome. Looks to me like that one person would not wan to take any chances that the community-elected committee might vote differently.
Is it? I didnt find it looking for GNOME.
I came to Linux, started with random DistroWatch recommendations, then used Ubuntu based, thinking it was the most supported.
Then dared to use something else, right at the edge of modern but well supported, that was Fedora.
Came to Linux, found KDE on Manjaro and searched for a well working but not antique KDE Distro. Found it with Kinoite.
Not a single GNOME on that way :D
You can argue that GNOME is only used that much because it is “Workstation”. Literally doesnt even include the DE name.
But I see how RedHat really needs a testing ground, and I also see how GNOME is a desktop with quite a lot corpo stuff directly integrated. If I needed active directory, Exchange etc, it would be the best option.
Also, not having many options is great for a corpo DE.
I don’t understand the simpler argument. Installing and using extensions and gnome-tweaks to change basic settings is not simpler. And I strongly dislike a large number of defaults.
With KDE Plasma, defaults make more sense to me so I barely have to change configuration. If I really need to, the setting is there and easily used.
Since KDE changed to dbl-click by default, the only thing I change is Numlock on boot. 10 seconds to fix, and I know it’ll stay changed because KDE is allergic to removing user settings.
KDE is not good for stability and control. It is consumer oriented instead of enterprise oriented.
There isn’t anything wrong with the KDE spin. If you want KDE it is available and well supported.
Wait are you saying is Gnome is better for enterprise environments cause it’s harder for the users to mess things up? If so, yeah I can see that. It’s perfect for the simple-minded. Not saying that all Gnomes are simpletons, just that I too would rather have some boomers Gnome.
Exactly
I am what you call a simpleton
This is very true. KDE is very community oriented, while GNOME is better for corporations. Simply that.
True, Plasma is very usable out of the box. Well, if you like floating panels.
So has been KDE’s for a long time now. Even more so in Plasma 6.
“Simple by default, powerful when needed” - KDE
GNOME meanwhile: “Get things done with ease, comfort, and control.”
These are just slogans guys
Isnt fedora like the last distro that doesnt symlink /bin and /sbin to /usr/bin?
Explanation please
In the old days distros used to separate the location of binaries in several places like
/bin/sbin/usr/binand/usr/sbinthere was this idea that system binaries would go in/sbinwhile the rest in/binand the similar dirs in/usrwere so that you could mount a separate drive to store more binaries. This is from a time where storage was an issue.These days distros usually just symlink all those locations to
/usr/binwith the exception of fedora, which still keeps some split.However it seems they will finally merge the remaining dirs in fedora 41: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin
Interesting! This sounds actually useful for transparency, but fine?