• Panda (he/him)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I have no sympathy for people of a political party who loathe my and me friend’s entire existences.
      I’m an awful person for other reasons, thank you very much.

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        Well you should hate both of the made up parties then. Be smarter and stop using tv talking points. Makes you sound stupid.

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            I totally agree but I see it reversed. Trumps policies had the economy going well. He’s a douche. But times were better. They ain’t getting better under Biden. But fuck me. I’ve never voted for a dem or republican. Wrote in Wu Tang last time as a protest. Doesn’t matter either way. I’m in NY so they go blue with or without me. Fuck em all I say but if I had to pick one (I don’t have to and won’t) gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden. It’ll suck but suck less. We need more and better options. People seem to pick based on one issue. I say the economy is the most important thing even though I believe women should have abortions. But step one and then push real reform to the system so we’re not dealing with these dumb choices. I think I’ll write in Donald Duck this time.

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              gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden

              Are you seriously saying you support Project 2025? That shit’s scary.

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                Fuck no. You must have misread what I said or you’re stupid and don’t know what that is. I do. If you think Trump is behind it then you need to turn off the news.

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              I mean, there’s a bunch of studies that say the economy was good and others saying the economy was bad, but it did feel better than now. Probably because of COVID and increasing corporate greed, but I’m not an economics major.

              Slightly relevant note: the budget deficit more than doubled by the end of 2019, and the numbers show he added at least 7 billion to the national debt (probably a combination of tax cuts that never quite worked out, COVID-related spending and other things)

              I do want to push back on the point of his presidency sucking less - Project 2025, which proposes things like an end of discrimination laws against LGBTQ people, ending funding for programs that benefit low-income groups and complete abandonment of climate change policy, has pretty close ties to Trump’s organization and that’s pretty worrying.

              He’s also said some pretty crazy stuff on the campaign trail that worries me greatly, like seeking revenge for his indictments for various charges and calling illegal migrants “animals”.

              But on the other hand, we have Biden, a man who is clearly on his way out and too scared to deliver on many of his campaign promises.

              American politics fuckin’ suck.

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        Great! I have no sympathy for an organization that targets innocent civilians so death to Hamas by any means necessary. Glad we worked that out :)

        See how fucking crazy that sounds? >!Please don’t give me the same lines about “how can I compare innocent children being starved to blah blah blah” idc. Those “innocent children” are being raped and murdered by Hamas with zero impunity because of *people like you.!<

        !Edit: typo!<

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          I’m not going to even respond this in good faith when your username makes fun of a woman who was slandered by the media for decades for having her baby murdered by a wild animal.

          Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

          Also: Fuck Hamas. Fuck the IDF. Free the Israeli and Palestinian people. See how I can support people while being against militaristic slaughter?

          Dumbass.

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            Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

            Holy shit you’re serious 🤣😂🤭

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      Is wishing Hitler had died before he did what he did bad? Trump wants to hurt/kill other people. Him being dead would prevent this. He is not an innocent person and is an immediate threat to many. His death would likely be a positive.

      (There is the issue of him becoming a martyr if he dies the wrong way. This could cause even more issues potentially.)

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          I don’t believe that hurting or killing people is trumps first goal, but if there’s money to be made or his ego to be protected, he won’t care how many people have to die.

          He’s proven this over & over - from leaking classified information to Russian officials- which resulted in the deaths of American & ally agents, to botching (and trying to profit from) COVID-19 policies & procedure, which resulted in the deaths of millions, to his insane border policies, to releasing of terrorist leaders to appease his favorite dictators, to his unadvised withdrawal of troops from foreign war zones, and so on.

          trump is a menace. Whether it’s because he’s malicious (he is), stupid (he is), or a malignant narcissist (he is) doesn’t really matter.

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              What would a valid point of discussion be to you? Is there one?

              If there is no way your opinion can change then your opinion is not reasonable. If your opinion is not based on reason, why do you hold it?

              If all things the media has discussed is off limits, then the only things that remain are things we make up or have seen in person. I don’t really take random strangers online at their word, so those aren’t reliable sources. So no media, no personal anecdotes. That leaves us with nothing. What sources of information would be appropriate?

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                I reasonably giving my thoughts. You’re parroting bullet points from the media.

                The source would be your brain anfter observing all viewpoints. Not just the ones you’re told to believe in.

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                  “Source: my brain.” Yeah, I’m sure you and anyone else would accept that. That is absolutely stupid if that’s the source you accept. Everything anyone writes is synthesizing information using their brain. They may just provide evidence to ensure to others that it’s true.

                  Also, you didn’t “reasonably” give your thoughts. You totally dismissed everything because it didn’t agree with your opinion. Again, what possible information could change your opinion? If the answer you have is “nothing” (or you can’t think of anything) then you should consider why you hold the position you hold.

                  I used to watch this guy, who does “Street Epistemology,” for a while, but I haven’t seen anything recently. I guess YouTube decided to to not it. Anyway, you should watch some of this and then consider your opinions in the same frame. If you actually want to think for yourself, like you imply you do, then you need to consider why you think a certain way and hold the opinions that you hold.

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                    Your time is done. Shut up weirdo commie. Nobody likes you anymore. Maybe online but that’s not real world shit.

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              *puts fingers in ears*

              “Fake news! Fake news!”

              The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.

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                Shows how stupid you fucking retards are. I didn’t say I was a Trump supporter. You made that leap. Go fuck off. People not online but in the real world are sick and tired of your thought process. It’s over.

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          For his stance on Palestine alone:

          “Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”

          The former president also pledged to bar refugees from Gaza under an expansion of his first-term travel ban on Muslim-majority countries; expel immigrants who sympathize with Hamas; revoke the visas of foreign students deemed “anti-American” or “antisemitic”; and impose “strong ideological screening” to keep out foreign nationals who “want to abolish Israel”.

          Surely you can’t interpret that as him wanting to protect Palestinians, right?

          I could give you other things, like what he said he’ll do to and how he’s treated transgender people, that is harmful, for example. There’s many other similar topics where he as, in the most generous view, unhelpful at best, if not actively harmful. I’m assuming it probably won’t change your position if you don’t accept the earlier citations and you somehow think I’m wrong still though. If you do care, it’s easy to learn more.

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              Wow, you’re a dumb one aren’t you. Are you a bot? Everything you post just accuses everyone else of repeating “media talking points” or whatever. You literally have no supporting arguments except saying what others post is invalid. What does that say about your opinion if informed opinions are invalid?

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                *puts fingers in ears*

                “Fake news! Fake news!”

                The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.

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                I wouldn’t say that if that wasn’t what you’re doing. Be smarter. Think for yourself. Take in all viewpoints and then decide what you think. All I see is idiots spewing what cnn and msnbc tells them to say. Same way on the other side. There are plenty of morons spewing their shit too. People need to think independently. It’s a lost are and is literally why the country is divided. By design.

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                  I linked the AP and The Guardian, not MSNBC. I haven’t watched mainstream news (by my own choice) in my life. I’m not repeating media talking points because I got it from the media. I’m repeating media talking points because the media talks about stuff that’s relavent.

                  You need to learn to think at all and to accept that other information can come that doesn’t agree with your worldview and that’s OK. You should accept that information and adjust your beliefs accordingly, not just dismiss it because it makes you feel bad.