In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.
This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him.
None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Yeah, so the fact that he wasn’t proves my point. The Judge wasn’t showing signs of wanting to get Trump convicted.
Compare that to if Trump is required to be in jail throughout the trail, because he was held in contempt. The right would be saying the judge, and this same verdict, were corrupt. That’s what they’re saying, now but there’s less evidence for them to use.
Its about convincing people still on the fence with Trump. The most vocal are saying that the jury was a sham. The ones in the middle are less vocal. By not giving vocal Republicans any ammo, it helps make a convincing case to those Republican voters that weren’t hardline republicans/MAGAs. They’re the ones we need along with the voters that switch from the 2016 to 2020 elections.
We’ll see on July 11th, but most likely it’s going to be some symbolic fine or gesture, but we’re not seeing this geriatric, senile old man who is also a former president, go to prison, where he would likely die as the country faces massive terrorist attacks and uprisings of dumbasses with deadly weapons, no judge in the country would do that no matter their political leaning if they at all took their job seriously and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books.
House arrest may be an option but that would be seen as a political attack because it would stop him from campaigning and that would go straight to supreme court, which we know how that would turn out. Judges know all this, their hands are pretty much tied.
edit: I can’t understand this internet knee-jerk response system that plagued reddit as well as here where people will just downvote a comment to oblivion if they don’t like the possible reality it presents. You’re not exercising your critical thinking here, you’re making yourself dumber by not considering things you don’t like.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
Okay I’m not against this and never said I was, I’m simply saying that this outcome where Trump goes to prison isn’t going to happen and you’re going to have to deal with it. Everyone is. That’s all. You can’t make this happen, our collective voice will not make this happen. People are getting some weird sense of unrealistic entitlement about this verdict.
The world doesn’t work the way we want and if we could all just get that through our skulls we would make better political choices and actually start focusing on what matters which is community action and organization in your local communities and districts, the places that support, prop-up and create the political theater that we wish would go away.
The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
Our nation has a bad habit of crying and whinging about the unfair things without actually focusing on and addressing the ACTUAL shit that will stop this from happening in the future.
I am unreasonably irritated with my countrymen and women who are laser-focused on what happens in a case that is only happening because nobody cares about their communities and local elections. Then it’s going to be over and everyone is going to be distracted by next big consequence of our apathy.
Our emotions and righteous feelings have no bearing on this unless you can focus that emotion on getting better representation in power.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc?
Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes.
If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already.
It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
I’m saying that people in positions of leadership, from judges to attorneys are not going to want to take that chance and be the ones responsible on even the remote chance that there’s any kind of civil unrest. This is regardless of the actual chances of anything happening, it’s about liability not probability.
I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
There is seriously something wrong with you and everyone right now that explaining how a thing works defaults someone to the view of “this person must be a fascist” and it’s so screamingly bad faith and performative that it reveals an actual lack of caring for the actual issues exactly like people on the right, you’re no different. It’s all disconnected from reality and losing oneself in emotional responses. Welcome to reactionary land. The only thing missing is the red hats.
Yes trump SHOULD go to jail, I’ve said this but I am also reminding people that this isn’t happening, it won’t happen, and I am explaining WHY it won’t happen. If I’m proved wrong, great… it’s fine, I would like to be proven wrong, but everyone is fucking delusional right now, and this is highly evident by the fact that if you aren’t also delusional, then dipshits on the internet call you a fascist.
I think you lost me. You said Trump will probably not go to jail because the judge has already been lenient with him regarding contempt, you claim more than any other person would be afforded - which might be true but is hard to prove.
I pointed out that it doesn’t automatically follow that the sentencing will also be lenient. It’s not a question of prison, or not.
Then you flew off the handle (imho) by claiming the judge will not give him a harsh sentence (again, not a question of prison or not) because it would make him liable and responsible for terrorist attacks and riots by Trump supporters
And that’s exactly the point of the fascist, which they repeat time and again to intimidate the opponent; That if something happens, then the people who “wronged” Trump would be reponsible. The actual terrorists and rioters and the people therefore wouldn’t be 100% taking the blame, but just part of it or maybe none.
You are agreeing with those people by casually throwing around this idea that attacks and retributions would not be an atrocious, absurd reaction to a criminal getting sentenced, but something that is to be expected. You’re supporting that viewpoint. That’s why I can’t tell if you are a trolling right-winger or a coward or maybe just a dipshit.
I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…
In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.
Well here’s hoping this judge is tired enough of Trump’s shit.
Something something historic trial something decorum something tradition and that’s why he’ll walk free.
That and the judge is probably terrified of having his house firebombed.
This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him. None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Idk Trump was literally attacking this judge’s daughter.
Any other person would’ve been held in contempt.
Yeah, so the fact that he wasn’t proves my point. The Judge wasn’t showing signs of wanting to get Trump convicted. Compare that to if Trump is required to be in jail throughout the trail, because he was held in contempt. The right would be saying the judge, and this same verdict, were corrupt. That’s what they’re saying, now but there’s less evidence for them to use.
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Its about convincing people still on the fence with Trump. The most vocal are saying that the jury was a sham. The ones in the middle are less vocal. By not giving vocal Republicans any ammo, it helps make a convincing case to those Republican voters that weren’t hardline republicans/MAGAs. They’re the ones we need along with the voters that switch from the 2016 to 2020 elections.
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Even a mere 6 months would be enough.
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Don’t know about that, judging by the show Delocated, the witness protection program looks fun. Your own skins bar!
We’ll see on July 11th, but most likely it’s going to be some symbolic fine or gesture, but we’re not seeing this geriatric, senile old man who is also a former president, go to prison, where he would likely die as the country faces massive terrorist attacks and uprisings of dumbasses with deadly weapons, no judge in the country would do that no matter their political leaning if they at all took their job seriously and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books.
House arrest may be an option but that would be seen as a political attack because it would stop him from campaigning and that would go straight to supreme court, which we know how that would turn out. Judges know all this, their hands are pretty much tied.
edit: I can’t understand this internet knee-jerk response system that plagued reddit as well as here where people will just downvote a comment to oblivion if they don’t like the possible reality it presents. You’re not exercising your critical thinking here, you’re making yourself dumber by not considering things you don’t like.
If your hands are tied by the corruption of others, make them do the corruption, don’t just preemptively do it for them.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
Okay I’m not against this and never said I was, I’m simply saying that this outcome where Trump goes to prison isn’t going to happen and you’re going to have to deal with it. Everyone is. That’s all. You can’t make this happen, our collective voice will not make this happen. People are getting some weird sense of unrealistic entitlement about this verdict.
The world doesn’t work the way we want and if we could all just get that through our skulls we would make better political choices and actually start focusing on what matters which is community action and organization in your local communities and districts, the places that support, prop-up and create the political theater that we wish would go away.
The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
Our nation has a bad habit of crying and whinging about the unfair things without actually focusing on and addressing the ACTUAL shit that will stop this from happening in the future.
I am unreasonably irritated with my countrymen and women who are laser-focused on what happens in a case that is only happening because nobody cares about their communities and local elections. Then it’s going to be over and everyone is going to be distracted by next big consequence of our apathy.
Our emotions and righteous feelings have no bearing on this unless you can focus that emotion on getting better representation in power.
I don’t disagree at all. But I can walk and chew gum at the same time on this one :) In other words, they’re not mutually exclusive.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc? Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes. If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already. It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
Everyone likes to circlejerk about revolution or whatever, but for 99.9% of people in developed countries, life is too good to put it on the line.
I’m saying that people in positions of leadership, from judges to attorneys are not going to want to take that chance and be the ones responsible on even the remote chance that there’s any kind of civil unrest. This is regardless of the actual chances of anything happening, it’s about liability not probability.
I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
There is seriously something wrong with you and everyone right now that explaining how a thing works defaults someone to the view of “this person must be a fascist” and it’s so screamingly bad faith and performative that it reveals an actual lack of caring for the actual issues exactly like people on the right, you’re no different. It’s all disconnected from reality and losing oneself in emotional responses. Welcome to reactionary land. The only thing missing is the red hats.
Yes trump SHOULD go to jail, I’ve said this but I am also reminding people that this isn’t happening, it won’t happen, and I am explaining WHY it won’t happen. If I’m proved wrong, great… it’s fine, I would like to be proven wrong, but everyone is fucking delusional right now, and this is highly evident by the fact that if you aren’t also delusional, then dipshits on the internet call you a fascist.
Get some oxygen.
I think you lost me. You said Trump will probably not go to jail because the judge has already been lenient with him regarding contempt, you claim more than any other person would be afforded - which might be true but is hard to prove. I pointed out that it doesn’t automatically follow that the sentencing will also be lenient. It’s not a question of prison, or not. Then you flew off the handle (imho) by claiming the judge will not give him a harsh sentence (again, not a question of prison or not) because it would make him liable and responsible for terrorist attacks and riots by Trump supporters And that’s exactly the point of the fascist, which they repeat time and again to intimidate the opponent; That if something happens, then the people who “wronged” Trump would be reponsible. The actual terrorists and rioters and the people therefore wouldn’t be 100% taking the blame, but just part of it or maybe none. You are agreeing with those people by casually throwing around this idea that attacks and retributions would not be an atrocious, absurd reaction to a criminal getting sentenced, but something that is to be expected. You’re supporting that viewpoint. That’s why I can’t tell if you are a trolling right-winger or a coward or maybe just a dipshit.
So what you’re saying is he’s definitely going to prison.
I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…