You are conflating the license itself with the privilege to drive. The answer is you can suspend the driving privilege regardless of the current or past drivers license issuance. This would prevent any new license from being issued even if they were otherwise eligible. Happens if you get caught driving before you pass your driving test all the time.
not true (in the us i dunno how other countries go), the license is printed for you after you are granted the privilege so you can show it has been granted. The license itself possesses no power it’s what the DMV database says that’s important.
That’s why cops take your license back to their car to ‘run your license’ that means look up your status in the database to see if you’re actually licensed currently and if there are any warrants out for you!
Where I’m from a class 7 driver’s license is a learner’s permit. You only need to do a written test to be granted a class 7, but it’s still a license that grants you the privilege of driving.
The only way what you’re saying makes sense is if you don’t consider a learner’s permit a license.
A State ID is used to buy booze and plane tickets. A Driver’s Licence is a State ID with a driving endorsement. Above that, there are then license endorsements like CDL (semi trucks), motorcycle, limo/chauffeur above standard driver.
What is the breaker box in your analogy? Breaking legs?
lol I meant a [circuit] breaker box (aka power/ac panel, breaker panel, distribution board, etc)
So how do you suspend a license that the guy didn’t have?
It’s just a minor legal misnomer. If a defendant happens to not have a driver’s license in the first place, suspension could be more accurately termed “prevention.” Logistically speaking, the state probably just generates a stub file/account with a valid license number then just adds the suspension to that empty driving record.
I think, and I apologize in advance if I get this wrong, the part you may not be understanding is that it seems he never had a license to operate a vehicle. The state can still charge a person with suspending driving privileges legally, however, which would then likely stop their ability to apply for a license, and be a gateway to stack further charges in the event they were caught twice.
It is definitely a very American oddity, and possibly Michigan-specific as well, as each state’s laws can vary significantly. Like, Michigan let’s you know when your license is about to expire by mail. Colorado, by comparison, cares not one bit, and it is up to you to remember to renew. Colorado IDs are tied to your birthday, however, while MI is an arbitrary date at day of issue. We like to keep things so complicated in the US that nobody really ever knows what is going on. Probably by design or “freedom” or something.
I’m so confused by this situation.
From the article, it appears that he exists in a perpetual liminal state between having and not having a license, state id, and driving privileges.
I’m very confused as well.
How can you suspend someone’s driving privileges if they never had them in the first place?
You are conflating the license itself with the privilege to drive. The answer is you can suspend the driving privilege regardless of the current or past drivers license issuance. This would prevent any new license from being issued even if they were otherwise eligible. Happens if you get caught driving before you pass your driving test all the time.
Ok…. But it’s the license that grants you the privilege to drive…
not true (in the us i dunno how other countries go), the license is printed for you after you are granted the privilege so you can show it has been granted. The license itself possesses no power it’s what the DMV database says that’s important.
That’s why cops take your license back to their car to ‘run your license’ that means look up your status in the database to see if you’re actually licensed currently and if there are any warrants out for you!
Do you not have learners permits?
Where I’m from a class 7 driver’s license is a learner’s permit. You only need to do a written test to be granted a class 7, but it’s still a license that grants you the privilege of driving.
The only way what you’re saying makes sense is if you don’t consider a learner’s permit a license.
i dunno how to make it any clearer sorry
A State ID is used to buy booze and plane tickets. A Driver’s Licence is a State ID with a driving endorsement. Above that, there are then license endorsements like CDL (semi trucks), motorcycle, limo/chauffeur above standard driver.
Different types of ID for different purposes.
Ok, but none of that explains how you can drive legally without a license
“Necessary but not sufficient condition,” e.g. the light in your room might be off, but “suspending your light privileges” is easy at the breaker box.
No. You’re still not making it make sense.
You’re trying to tell everyone that you can legally drive without a license.
Of course you can drive without a license, but not legally. A learner’s permit is a type of license.
So how do you suspend a license that the guy didn’t have?
What is the breaker box in your analogy? Breaking the guy’s legs?
lol I meant a [circuit] breaker box (aka power/ac panel, breaker panel, distribution board, etc)
It’s just a minor legal misnomer. If a defendant happens to not have a driver’s license in the first place, suspension could be more accurately termed “prevention.” Logistically speaking, the state probably just generates a stub file/account with a valid license number then just adds the suspension to that empty driving record.
I think, and I apologize in advance if I get this wrong, the part you may not be understanding is that it seems he never had a license to operate a vehicle. The state can still charge a person with suspending driving privileges legally, however, which would then likely stop their ability to apply for a license, and be a gateway to stack further charges in the event they were caught twice.
Yeah we finally got that cleared up a little further down :)
I actually don’t know what happens in that situation where I live.
It is definitely a very American oddity, and possibly Michigan-specific as well, as each state’s laws can vary significantly. Like, Michigan let’s you know when your license is about to expire by mail. Colorado, by comparison, cares not one bit, and it is up to you to remember to renew. Colorado IDs are tied to your birthday, however, while MI is an arbitrary date at day of issue. We like to keep things so complicated in the US that nobody really ever knows what is going on. Probably by design or “freedom” or something.
To my understanding from watching Leto’s Law https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMljRGC0eBJrxbUorWEnasg It was a standard practice by the state which didn’t have a box to tick off for no license.
Edit: His channel is a rabbit hole of stupid legal shit.
Edit2: Here is one of his videos on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-gZuojPvw