I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
All of those things were/are just another Tuesday class for your average KGB spook, not impossible at all. In a 100+ Billion dollar defense contractor I imagine you could find more than one person willing to shut up and take the giant bag, hell you can buy a congressman to sell out a whole community for like 10k
No that’s the problem. Once someone is in a hospital there’s a paper trail a mile long. If you wanted to assassinate someone then the hospital is the last place you would do it. You’d need to pay off a hundred people and hope none of them ever decides to talk. Or you start killing them off but then how long does it take big data FBI to connect those dots?
If guy number 2 was somehow DOA at the hospital or already infected with something irreversible then you’d have a case. But flu to hospital MRSA case to Stroke just isn’t how anyone who cared about remaining free and anonymous would kill someone.
They find the person shopping or something, routine. Spritz some flu into their face. (Well, more discretely, but yeah.)
They go to the hospital, pay the guy a visit when, spritz some MRSA on his linens or something. Plenty of opportunity. Even better, spritz it on everyone’s linens so it looks like an outbreak.
Slip in, visit the guy and inject a stroke causing drug. Maybe even something as innocuous as just injecting an air bubble into his artery.
Maybe a small support team. But really, you think Boeing doesn’t already have a hitter on the payroll?
Well, I have not done the injecting bit, but I have just walked into more than one ICU… It’s not hard. Nurses and security both are over staffed and underpaid.
(I work in contract security- at one point part of my job was pen testing. Chilled with an interesting fellow named Edgar, while waiting to get caught. Didn’t have anyone to talk to, so, we just chatted. Mostly he chatted.)
harder at night but only because there’s fewer people.
Unless there’s a specific reason someone needs high security… the security is largely a joke.
So the fact that you got paid to tell them their ICU was effectively open to the public doesn’t ring any alarm bells that that’s not supposed to be the case?
There’s quite a bit of difference between “open to the public” and “easy to penetrate”. The reason we were pentesting for them is to figure out how bad it was, and where we needed to focus for improvement. It’s not hard to get into, especially considering that most ICU’s allow guests during certain times.
security is always a balancing act between being secure and pretty much everything else. A building with no doors or windows is far more secure, but also pretty much useless. a working hospital- especially large ones- have small army of people working there; as well as veritable hordes of people visiting for dozens of different reasons on a regular basis; It’s almost impossible to verify that everyone in the building is supposed to be there; and the risk of someone being an assassination target with out that person knowing about it and discussing it with the staff is extremely rare.
All this to say, if Boeing wanted to get someone dead at a hospital, it would be trivial for them. Maybe expensive, but functionally trivial.
Killing someone is always trivial. That’s not the sticking point. The sticking point is making it look like an accident or natural death and failing that, not getting caught. That’s where the exploding number of people who need to be paid off comes into play.
Yes you can lol. Do you think ICU wards are some high security facility? At worst you would have to get someone admissioned to the same hospital, be a visitor and on the way out pass by the other room quickly.
There have been multiple nurses that have killed people over periods of years.
It’s nowhere near as impossible as you seem to think it is.
Charles Cullen, a nurse, murdered dozens—possibly hundreds—of patients during a 16-year career spanning several New Jersey and Pennsylvania medical centers until being arrested in 2003.
William Davis, who worked at Christus Mother Frances Hospital in Tyler, Texas, fatally injected four patients with air.
Nurse Heather Pressdee pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and 19 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder.
Reta Mays, a former nursing assistant, killed seven elderly veterans with fatal injections of insulin at a West Virginia hospital.
The list sadly goes on and on and on. There’s even an entire Wikipedia article about it. And those are just the crazies that did for their own enjoyment.
I’m really not. Serial killers exist isn’t evidence it’s easy to get away with killing in a hospital. In fact the very existence of the list proves they’re getting caught.
Countless evidence of people commiting multiple murders, sometimes for decades at a time, and that somehow means one person couldn’t possibly be killed in the same setting…
So you’re not naive, you’re just willfully stupid. Got it.
I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
All of those things were/are just another Tuesday class for your average KGB spook, not impossible at all. In a 100+ Billion dollar defense contractor I imagine you could find more than one person willing to shut up and take the giant bag, hell you can buy a congressman to sell out a whole community for like 10k
No that’s the problem. Once someone is in a hospital there’s a paper trail a mile long. If you wanted to assassinate someone then the hospital is the last place you would do it. You’d need to pay off a hundred people and hope none of them ever decides to talk. Or you start killing them off but then how long does it take big data FBI to connect those dots?
If guy number 2 was somehow DOA at the hospital or already infected with something irreversible then you’d have a case. But flu to hospital MRSA case to Stroke just isn’t how anyone who cared about remaining free and anonymous would kill someone.
One person. That’s all it takes.
They find the person shopping or something, routine. Spritz some flu into their face. (Well, more discretely, but yeah.)
They go to the hospital, pay the guy a visit when, spritz some MRSA on his linens or something. Plenty of opportunity. Even better, spritz it on everyone’s linens so it looks like an outbreak.
Slip in, visit the guy and inject a stroke causing drug. Maybe even something as innocuous as just injecting an air bubble into his artery.
Maybe a small support team. But really, you think Boeing doesn’t already have a hitter on the payroll?
This isn’t Hollywood. You can’t just walk into an ICU ward and inject someone.
Well, I have not done the injecting bit, but I have just walked into more than one ICU… It’s not hard. Nurses and security both are over staffed and underpaid.
(I work in contract security- at one point part of my job was pen testing. Chilled with an interesting fellow named Edgar, while waiting to get caught. Didn’t have anyone to talk to, so, we just chatted. Mostly he chatted.)
harder at night but only because there’s fewer people.
Unless there’s a specific reason someone needs high security… the security is largely a joke.
So the fact that you got paid to tell them their ICU was effectively open to the public doesn’t ring any alarm bells that that’s not supposed to be the case?
There’s quite a bit of difference between “open to the public” and “easy to penetrate”. The reason we were pentesting for them is to figure out how bad it was, and where we needed to focus for improvement. It’s not hard to get into, especially considering that most ICU’s allow guests during certain times.
security is always a balancing act between being secure and pretty much everything else. A building with no doors or windows is far more secure, but also pretty much useless. a working hospital- especially large ones- have small army of people working there; as well as veritable hordes of people visiting for dozens of different reasons on a regular basis; It’s almost impossible to verify that everyone in the building is supposed to be there; and the risk of someone being an assassination target with out that person knowing about it and discussing it with the staff is extremely rare.
All this to say, if Boeing wanted to get someone dead at a hospital, it would be trivial for them. Maybe expensive, but functionally trivial.
Killing someone is always trivial. That’s not the sticking point. The sticking point is making it look like an accident or natural death and failing that, not getting caught. That’s where the exploding number of people who need to be paid off comes into play.
Have you ever stepped foot outside of your parents house before?
No, is it bright outside?
Some day after you graduate homeschool you might find out.
But momma said I got a special certificate!
Yes you can lol. Do you think ICU wards are some high security facility? At worst you would have to get someone admissioned to the same hospital, be a visitor and on the way out pass by the other room quickly.
It doesn’t need to be. And ICUs are bays, not rooms.
There have been multiple nurses that have killed people over periods of years.
It’s nowhere near as impossible as you seem to think it is.
Charles Cullen, a nurse, murdered dozens—possibly hundreds—of patients during a 16-year career spanning several New Jersey and Pennsylvania medical centers until being arrested in 2003.
William Davis, who worked at Christus Mother Frances Hospital in Tyler, Texas, fatally injected four patients with air.
Nurse Heather Pressdee pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and 19 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder.
Reta Mays, a former nursing assistant, killed seven elderly veterans with fatal injections of insulin at a West Virginia hospital.
The list sadly goes on and on and on. There’s even an entire Wikipedia article about it. And those are just the crazies that did for their own enjoyment.
You’re blissfully very naïve about this.
I’m really not. Serial killers exist isn’t evidence it’s easy to get away with killing in a hospital. In fact the very existence of the list proves they’re getting caught.
Countless evidence of people commiting multiple murders, sometimes for decades at a time, and that somehow means one person couldn’t possibly be killed in the same setting…
So you’re not naive, you’re just willfully stupid. Got it.
Good luck with that.
That is exactly right. That is where it all falls apart.