There’s no such thing as Russian communism. They never were communist and never will be communist. They liked the word communist. Or at least saying it a lot. They liked also pretend that it was their aspiration to become communist. But no Marxist leninist government has ever or will ever achieve communism. But they will ruin its name with their hypocritical Behavior.

There is a difference between a fascist and a Marxist leninist. But they are both authoritarian. So it isn’t massive. And if you cross the end group in either one your life is forfeit.

Then read Listen Germany!

A socialist revolution by definition cannot be fascist, fascism is a far right movement and a socialist revolution is far left movement they both have authoritarian aspects, but are polar opposites as far as the goals of each movement. Socialism is for the benefit of all, fascism is for the benefit of the few.

Also I’m not an accelerationist and am voting for Biden, there is no where near enough class conciousness in the States for a Prolitariat Revolution to occur, but once that critical tipping point is reached I think Landlords and Billionaires should get the wall if they refuse to peacefully give up their hordes of wealth and property for the common good and that the revolution should be defended by any means necessary.

Funny how the self-proclaimed vanguard of the radical left are just incoherent anti-western reactionaries wearing Marxism like a fig leaf, isn’t it? Like, I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony, but you’ve gotta have a hole in your head to want to replace it with a literal crime syndicate masquerading as a government or an oppressive hyper-capitalist dictatorship with imperialistic ambitions.

Defending a revolution is not accelerationism. I have no idea how you got that from what they said, or generally where this idea of tankies being accelerationists comes from, it seems to be mostly something people make up about us. Accelerationism is stupid and reactionary.

Stalinism wasn’t counter-revolutionary?

I mean some might be fascists from like 8chan RPing as tankies. If I recall like a white republican congressman had a sockpuppet where he pretended to be a black guy.

You have to assume a certain amount of pro-trump stuff is straight up BS

Part my ramen and I’ll fight you, mate.

I’m neither a tankie nor a maga but disagree with it. This weird all or nothing, “if you’re not with us you’re against” us shit is toxic. It’s toxic to you and your goals.

You’ll have to lie in the bed you shit in, but hopefully you manage to see who took the shit instead of blaming whatever group you can to not take responsibility.

Thrall.

Nah, there’s folks actually named that, a lot of whom are very against this all.

It’s gotta be a creature or a thing or some other kind of title for it to work best as a generalized name.

SleezyDizasta: Could these be the same?

That’s stupid, that’s not what I implied. I said that they’re sister ideologies that desire the same things just with different approaches, and that’s objectively true.

Fascism was started by Mussolini, who was an infamous Marxist for most of his early life. He used to write for Marxist papers, be an avid Marxist activist, attend Marxist meetings, and even got arrested for rioting for Marxist causes. He, like many other socialists at the time, was against war. However, over time he came to the conclusion that war might not be a bad thing. If wars happened more frequently, it could bring about the social climate necessary for revolutions to happen that would end European monarchies and replace them with socialist systems. However, his ideas were rejected by the other socialists and he was shunned by them.

Mussolini started shifting away from other socialists over what unites men. Socialists believe it’s class, but Mussolini started shifting towards the nation. He and his supporters starting gravitating towards revolutionary nationalism… Professor Anthony Gregor from UC Berkely described Mussolini’s nationalism as the following:

Mussolini’s revolutionary nationalism, while it distinguished itself from the traditional patriotism and nationalism of the bourgeoisie, displayed many of those features we today identify with the nationalism of underdeveloped peoples. It was an anticonservative nationalism that anticipated vast social changes; it was directed against both foreign and domestic oppressors; it conjured up an image of a renewed and regenerated nation that would perform a historical mission; it invoked a moral ideal of selfless sacrifice and commitment in the service of collective goals; and it recalled ancient glories and anticipated a shared and greater glory

Mussolini’s Fascism was very clearly heavily influenced by Marxism. He used a lot of the same ideals, a lot of the same terminology, similar rhetoric, and similar types of analytical lenses. In fact professor Gregor notes that Mussolini’s viewed Fascism as a type of socialism, or rather as the successor of socialism:

“Fascism was the only form of ‘socialism’ appropriate to the proletarian nations of the twentieth century”

Even though Mussolini eventually parted ways with Marxism all together. His opposition to them wasn’t because they were socialists but because they were anti-nationalist. Despite declaring Marxism a failure and socialists as opposition, he still thought and constantly talked about how Fascism was about poor nations rising up against the plutocrats.

When I say they’re sister ideologies, they literally are.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_nationalism

There have been a lot of killings and deaths that were intentionally to further goals that were claimed to be Marxist; Lenin and Stalin both had a lot of blood on their hands, as did Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro (after the revolution, I mean), and so on.

Authoritarian communism ends up being pretty bad for people that communist in the wrong way, along with everyone that isn’t communist.

Not true at all, I have zero issues with people who think differently. However, I do take big issues with these two failed authoritarian ideologies that ended killing tens of millions each and brought nothing but misery everywhere they went. As it turns there’s more to politics than these two shitty ideologies

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I know right, neoliberalism is utopia. /s

Ok, first of all it’s the SPD, the SDP is the UK. Oh yeah, obviously it was the moderate democratic socialists who supported democracy that were to blame and not the stalinists who openly allied with Nazis to dismantle the democratic government. And guess what, most of the KPD that made it to the Soviet Union were killed by Stalin or handed back to the Gestapo anyways, what great people they followed.

The KPD declared the SPD their greatest enemy, not the other way around.

I will concede the KPD responded more appropriately to Hitler taking power, but it was too fucking late then anyways. Even the KPD internal resistance had pretty limited effect. At least the SPD operated the government in exile.

when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution

quashed the Hungarian communist (democratic worker) revolution; lowercase.

Yup, it even predates Tiananmen Square by a few decades IIRC

Yup, when I first joined I wanted to join lemmy.ml because “oh I like machine learning”.

Those were the days…

I joined during the Reddit migration and ended up dealing with Tankies almost immediately. Before Lemmy I always thought most Communists would claim that true communism hasnt happened yet, I was NOT expecting people who aggressively protected safe spaces and didnt allow any level of words that could be considered slurs to think that Russia and China have done nothing wrong and are super great countries

Yeah let’s spread their memes and upvote their content ironically #lol #pwned #trolled

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If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries.

I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.

This is the thing that blows my mind.

How can anyone hope for a major global power, or worse a superpower, to collapse as a nation is beyond me.

That won’t just affect the country itself like some kind of controlled demolition of a 3 floor building with subfloors for debris to sit nice and neat in.

Do you honestly think the countries who spend the most on military budgets (especially the one that spends more than the next several combined) will sit back and not use any of their inflated budgets to lash out at surrounding countries, or even some other country across the world? especially when they do that in peace time anyway?

When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere.

A country in collapse will have plenty of break off states/cities/territories whose occupants just commandeer the military equipment, and when that’s happening all over the country, it’s not going to be pretty.

Imagine what Texas will do to Mexico when the federal government is no longer reining them in, their economy and ecology are collapsing, and they see a bunch of “free real estate” just across an imaginary line someone drew on a paper (or river)

I don’t want Russia to collapse. That will not be good for anyone in Russia, or the surrounding nations.

A lot of tankies weren’t alive when the Soviet union collapsed, and it shows.

It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.