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    Some European countries have lower populations than a single US city.

    Some European countries are small enough that you can drive the entire length in a single day.

    Must be nice to have prime ministers who represent fewer people than the mayor of LA

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      Don’t be so American aka uneducated. They still have to have a full government and local governments. Just because they’re smaller than Texas doesn’t mean two guys can run the whole society. You guys really deserve Trump.

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        The United states has federal, state and local governments. And often county governments as well in the more populated states.

        Just because i don’t know if Serbia is a representative or parliamentary democracy doesn’t make me uneducated. It means your backwater country is completely unimportant to the global community

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          Just because i don’t know if Serbia is a representative or parliamentary democracy

          Hell, I don’t even know if you say or repeat words!

          Parlamentary democracy is one kind of representative democracy AKA republic.

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          Having three levels of government is standard. It’s not a special American thing. Most countries have this outside of the really small ones. Even Serbia does, to a limited extent.

          Excluding the de-facto independent province of Kosovo, The country has one autonomous province with its own government, namely Vojvodina in the North. Central Serbia however is not a province and doesn’t have its own government.

          The country is further divided into 117 municipalities and 28 cities, all of which have a local government. Six of the largest cities are additionally divided into city municipalities, which also have a local government. This means that depending on where you live in the country, you’ll be subject to somewhere between two and four levels of government.

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        It’s anecdotal but I was told that Americans (and Europeans) obsess on the happenings and circus at the federal level but much of it doesn’t really affect the average Americans on the state level. Not sure how but my guess it’s because states have their own laws and cultures which offsets some of the federal level shenanigans.

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      Every European country is small enough that you can drive through it in a day.

      Do you mean the electoral collage still travels by house to Washington? What is your point?

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        Do you mean the electoral collage still travels by house to Washington?

        Maybe they travel by tra… They don’t have train, do they?

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        The point is, it’s easier to organize a national election when you don’t have to do it across 50 federated entities and 5 time zones

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          it’s easier to organize a national election when you don’t have to do it across 50 federated entities and 5 time zones

          The US national elections are much, much easier to organize than national elections in EU countries. EU countries have to hold elections for tens of millions of people. In the US national elections only 538 people get to vote.

          There are 50 states that have to hold elections to select representatives for the electoral college, but these are organized by each the state individually, not the federal government. You don’t have one big national election, you have 50 small ones.

          Most US states have only a small number of inhabitants. Even the largest US state, California, only has 38M inhabitants. Less than half of Germany (83M), and significantly less than France (68M), Italy (58M) and Spain (48M). 40 of those 50 states have fewer than 10M inhabitants.

          France (68M inhabitants) called elections on June 9, with the first round on June 30 and the second on July 7. They were over less than a month after being called. If France can do this with 68 million inhabitants then surely California can do it with only 36 million (let alone all those other smaller states).

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            It’s the synchronization of 50 individual states that’s the trick. Countries with many states have slower bureaucracies. They don’t all have the same budget to organize elections. Sure, Florida Texas new York and California could probably do it fast. But Alaska or Wyoming?

            Colorado runs their elections in person in some of their smaller districts. The entire voting population meets at the school auditorium and debate and discuss until they can assign their electors to a candidate. It’s a tradition that’s as old as the state.

            Every state has unique needs and budgets to provide voting to their citizens. Some states make it easier for citizens to vote. Some make it harder. When planning a national election you must be considerate of the states that make it harder to vote.

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              We have EP elections, they represent more people than the US, elections have to be synchronized not just between states, but between sovereign countries (imagine dealing with France, Germany and Hungary at the same time), and they often go without a hitch with only a few months of campaigning.

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                Don’t they happen at regular intervals? Or is it always a case of the legislative announcing a popular vote is necessary and then everyone has a few months to prepare

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                  Yeah, they are regular, it’s just parties don’t really campaign for that long, campaign finance laws usually prohibit it by maximizing the amount of money that can be spent. You could theoretically campaign for 4 years, but you can’t do it with full intensity as you would run out of money, so parties save up for a big bang before the election, as it probably should be.

                  That said, there are serious problems with EU electoral processes as well, it’s just that they are not fundamentally broken like the US. For example, Hungary’s ruling party routinely spends a ton of money on “government communication” that is not technically campaigning on paper just in practice, thus sidestepping campaign finance laws.