It’s a small amount of energy to materially affect the environment in which you expend real energy on your praxis of choice. If you’re not enthusiastically voting at least lesser evil, you’re hamstringing your own praxis.
I’m confused as to what other people do with their time and money has to do with you. Your statement was that anarchists don’t want to spend the energy engaging with electorialism, other people engaging with it to the point of canvassing and donations doesn’t force you to. All you have to do is vote, and recommend others vote if it comes up.
Your comment about anarchists and electorialism was a response to a comment saying anarchists prefer the center right party over the far right party. No one said anything about anarchists canvassing and fundraising for the center right party.
Your criticisms of canvassing and fundraising, while not entirely untrue, are absolutely irrelevant to to topic at hand. When you’re having a discussion, you keep your comments relevant to the topic of discussion. That’s like… the basics of conversation.
Correct, that doesn’t make them non sequiturs. What makes them non sequiturs is being unrelated to the topic. I choose not to engage because they’re irrelevant, not the other way around. I choose this because I don’t entertain Gish Gallop distractions, they muddy the water of productive conversations.
Look, I’m already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I’m not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it’s already fucking here.
It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.
Who said I was giving up? That’s what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I’m not apathetic at all, I’m fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems’ - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.
Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you’ll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you’ll blame democrats.
I’M NOT FIGHTING DEMOCRATS. CRITICISM IS NOT CONDEMNATION. SUPPORT IS NOT BINARY.
Of course the Republicans are most responsible for their own actions, but by doing a piss-poor job of countering them, constantly compromising on our values for political convenience, and refusing to turn a critical lens on ourselves for fear of losing we sabotage our own efforts.
I will repeat what you misinterpreted so you can give it some more thought: I will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists.
Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response “please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win” is to criticism of the opposition candidate.
Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it’s infuriating doesn’t make it false.
Criticism of Biden led to his corporate donors losing confidence in him and pushing him to drop out, and now we’re in a better position than we were. It’s all the liberals who insisted on sticking with Biden despite knowing he was the worst possible candidate who could have cost us the election.
It’s a small amount of energy to materially affect the environment in which you expend real energy on your praxis of choice. If you’re not enthusiastically voting at least lesser evil, you’re hamstringing your own praxis.
I’m not talking about the act of voting itself. I’m talking about discussions, canvassing and campaigning for some lesser evil candidate.
Why? You’re the only one taking about that. I’m talking about the act of voting itself.
Just because you don’t want to see all that excess energy doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Edit: here’s an example of all that fucking wasted energy
I’m confused as to what other people do with their time and money has to do with you. Your statement was that anarchists don’t want to spend the energy engaging with electorialism, other people engaging with it to the point of canvassing and donations doesn’t force you to. All you have to do is vote, and recommend others vote if it comes up.
I can be critical of what other people do. That’s like… the basics of systemic societal critique.
Your criticisms are non sequiturs.
Your comment about anarchists and electorialism was a response to a comment saying anarchists prefer the center right party over the far right party. No one said anything about anarchists canvassing and fundraising for the center right party.
Your criticisms of canvassing and fundraising, while not entirely untrue, are absolutely irrelevant to to topic at hand. When you’re having a discussion, you keep your comments relevant to the topic of discussion. That’s like… the basics of conversation.
Just cause you don’t want to engage with a conversation doesn’t mean thah the other person makes non sequiturs.
Correct, that doesn’t make them non sequiturs. What makes them non sequiturs is being unrelated to the topic. I choose not to engage because they’re irrelevant, not the other way around. I choose this because I don’t entertain Gish Gallop distractions, they muddy the water of productive conversations.
don’t tell me what to do
I didn’t, just described the consequences
WTF does my enthusiasm or lack thereof have to do with it.
Enthusiasm encourages others to follow suit.
Look, I’m already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I’m not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it’s already fucking here.
It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.
Who said I was giving up? That’s what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I’m not apathetic at all, I’m fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems’ - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.
Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you’ll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you’ll blame democrats.
Dude, think about what you’re saying here.
I’M NOT FIGHTING DEMOCRATS. CRITICISM IS NOT CONDEMNATION. SUPPORT IS NOT BINARY.
Of course the Republicans are most responsible for their own actions, but by doing a piss-poor job of countering them, constantly compromising on our values for political convenience, and refusing to turn a critical lens on ourselves for fear of losing we sabotage our own efforts.
I will repeat what you misinterpreted so you can give it some more thought: I will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists.
proceeds to continue attacking democrats exclusively
Reread my comment again, it’s only 2 sentences. No one’s “loudly complaining”.
Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response “please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win” is to criticism of the opposition candidate.
Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it’s infuriating doesn’t make it false.
Criticism of Biden led to his corporate donors losing confidence in him and pushing him to drop out, and now we’re in a better position than we were. It’s all the liberals who insisted on sticking with Biden despite knowing he was the worst possible candidate who could have cost us the election.
Sooo, you’re trying to roll those dice twice in a row?
As if the mere act of voting is the only energy being put into electoralism.