• sandbox@lemmy.world
        26·
        2 months ago

        Even if the Mozilla foundation went bankrupt tomorrow, Firefox would persist. It might not be as quick to update, but it’s an open source project that people will keep working on, regardless of the money.

      • Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        18·
        2 months ago

        Who cares where the revenue comes from? There’s no google spyware in there, and it’s competition, that’s what really matters.

        • trafficnab@lemmy.ca
          8·
          2 months ago

          I just don’t like that we’re relying on the goodwill (or need for token “competition” to try to avoid antitrust) of Google for Mozilla to stick around, an ad company shouldn’t be de facto controlling almost every single browser

        • trafficnab@lemmy.ca
          3·
          2 months ago

          Changing your search engine doesn’t stop Google from controlling 80% of Mozilla’s revenue or almost the entirety of the rest of the browser space

          • asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml
            5·
            2 months ago

            No but the US government might, and then where will Firefox be?

            Hopefully still kicking because I don’t want to go back to chrome

          • huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            I’m afraid to say that there are no such thing as “gratis” software. I guess as firefox user we have to pay a significant amount of money, but I guess that’s a dream in open source software community, and the most obvious consecuense is that they are going to find a sponsor

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
    49·
    2 months ago

    > downloads desktop app

    > looks inside

    > it’s a webpage with a dedicated browser

    (Web 2.0 and it’s consequences…)

    • tudor@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 months ago

      Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app

    • Saki@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it’s just gonna be the same but in electron?

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        23·
        2 months ago

        Think of all that lovely data and tracking you can slurp up when unconstrained by the browser sandbox.

      • Johanno@feddit.org
        11·
        2 months ago

        A few advantages.

        1. You can make app specific notifications.

        2. You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version

        3. The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.

      • MP3Martin@programming.dev
        7·
        2 months ago

        Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation

  • comador @lemmy.world
    42·
    2 months ago

    I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn’t have the Chrome crap in it.

    • Sourav Satvaya@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      2 months ago

      I tried Vivaldi, it’s a good browser but I prefer Brave because it has build it Tor. In my country most torrent sites are blocked so a built-in Tor is useful to me, it can open those sites without VPN.

      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        55·
        2 months ago

        Brave is also a shifty shady browser that has problems with inserting affiliate links without telling you and selling off user data. They’re really not better or remotely trustworthy TBH, you might as well use the actual TOR browser built on Firefox if you need that capability.

        • Potatisen@lemmy.world
          30·
          2 months ago

          Yeah, I don’t understand how Brave became acceptable all of the sudden.

          Did they do some big marketing campaign in the US or something?

          • Sourav Satvaya@lemmy.worldOP
            10·
            2 months ago

            They definitely did some marketing, because it came out of nowhere. When I first installed it, it was all over the internet, from YouTube to webpages. A similar thing you can notice with the Arc Browser. I couldn’t find any exceptional features on the Arc Browser but the hype is encouraging people to try it.

            • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
              6·
              2 months ago

              Yup, work in a call center and it was a huge ramp up all of a sudden with elderly clients on brave and asking why our site stopped working…

        • PlexSheep@infosec.pub
          2·
          2 months ago

          Also the android app is crap and keeps crashing, and their ad blocker is mich inferior to the glory of ublock origin

    • outerspace@lemmy.zip
      3·
      2 months ago

      Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn’t make sense for me that I can’t share history with desktop and mobile together

  • Teknikal@eviltoast.orgEnglish
    29·
    2 months ago

    My opinion I’d say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.

    The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.

    Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!
  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    22·
    2 months ago

    “guys ios is bad try android”

    looks inside android: its literally bad

    “guys try this fork of android”

    looks inside: it’s better, i guess.

    technology fucking sucks, remember when you could just buy software and that shit worked? Yeah me neither i use linux shits free over here.

  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
    16·
    2 months ago

    Mozilla Corp’s Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.

    Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.

  • djsoren19@yiffit.net
    11·
    2 months ago

    What’s preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it’s a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right? You can’t tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      22·
      2 months ago

      Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It’s enormous, and they’re adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.

      Even MS couldn’t be bothered any more, and that’s a $3 trillion business.

      Which is why there’s only three browser engines in any kind of use.

    • Eiri@lemmy.world
      22·
      2 months ago

      It’s possible. But it’s a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it’d take you days before having written a single line of code.

      Then you need to write all that in a performant way.

      Then you need to keep up with all the new features.

      Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.

      Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.

      You can. But it’ll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.

    • Daxtron2@startrek.website
      17·
      2 months ago

      Because they’re giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don’t see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      9·
      2 months ago

      a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?

      In software engineering “just” is often considered a dirty word.

      Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.

      Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.

      Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.

      Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.

      There’s also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 months ago

      Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.

    • recapitated@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 months ago

      The main thing is technical nuances, and a never ending list of them.

      But you could start with something like lynx or elinks, but at that point you may as well just use lynx or elinks.

  • itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml
    6·
    2 months ago

    But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn’t for me either.

    Edit: lol I’m sorry my experience doesn’t match yours and I chose to ask a question.

      • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        2 months ago

        Same, curious what issues they have in FF, I only know of a couple sites that don’t work right in FF mobile

            • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              2 months ago

              Lol I didn’t notice it either but don’t miss it either, often the suggestions were more annoying then anything else, imo

          • teejay@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            Hey since we’re doing these, how about the years-old bug where ff won’t remember which bookmark folder you were in previously when opening new bookmarks. If you have bookmark folders (especially nested ones), try opening a bookmark inside one of those folders. Then go back into your bookmarks, you’ll see you’re not in that folder anymore, you’re at the root level and have to traverse your folders to get back to where you were. It’s super annoying if you’re opening bookmarks one after another.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      Firefox has ad blockers on mobile.

      That immediately makes the mobile web useable again.

        • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          Running speedometer 3.0 gives me 7.68 for FF and 10.4 for Chrome.

          That’s not an enormous difference and in real life usage the ads and cookie banner bullshit I can’t block more than makes up for it.

    • tahoe@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 months ago

      Welcome to Lemmy where having an opinion even slightly different from the open source/Linux fanboys grants you downvotes to oblivion, no questions asked 🙃

      • TJDetweiler@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        Thanks for putting yourself on the pyre to prove a point. Hivemind is worse here than Reddit imo, because at least Reddit has a diverse user base…

        • tahoe@lemmy.world
          0·
          2 months ago

          Yup, I totally agree. I’ve been in this situation a few times where I just asked a question because I wanted to know people’s opinion about something privacy or FOSS related, and got downvoted.

          I have an IRL friend who went back to Reddit in large parts because of stuff like this. It’s pretty bad.

          And I say all this as an open source developer

    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
      5·
      2 months ago

      The Reddit hive mind behaviour is seeping through the cracks.

      For me personally, the experience is allowed to take a hit, hell even a major hit, if the browser respects me as a user. FF seems to be better on that front although I’ll confess I use Vanadium on my phone. Its GrapheneOS’ default browser.

      • FatCat@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 months ago

        “Everyone that doesn’t share my specific preferences is a sheep (╯° □°） ╯”

  • Reygle@lemmy.world
    5·
    2 months ago

    If you’re not a fan of Firefox right now, with the few odd decisions they’ve been making, try Floorp or Zen. They’re quite good forks of Firefox and don’t seem to have any of the recent Firefox oddness in them.

  • ssm@lemmy.sdf.org
    5·
    2 months ago

    Qutebrowser and (maybe, haven’t tried) Falkon can use qtwebkit as a backend

    luakit, surf, otter, epiphany, badwolf, vimb use gtkwebkit

    lynx, links, elinks, w3m, netsurf use their own browser engines

    there’s also 😒 f*refox 😒 and its forks, if you need cancer like css, js, webrtc, or wasm