Description: A picture titled “Russian plants” in a 3 x 3 grid with one of the grid items being Jill Stein, the rest are flora.
US Greens are damned traitors to democracy itself.
You can tell they aren’t serious by the lack of local political effort they put in.
(This post was accidentally edited in an attempt to reply to someone else, this is an in-exact re-creation of what the comment said)
Posting a link to a handful of names on sporadic ballots across the US is a dumb person’s idea of what “serious electoral effort” is.
Son, I am disappoint.
I remember that green party candidate in AZ a few years back had more funding from Republicans lmao.
They usually do.
As in from Republican voters? Who cares? If from politicians, then there might be some weird political games with that candidate.
But besides, that’s really your concern? Democrats get funding from billionaire imperialists and arms-dealing weapons-manufacturer death-mechants. Which have successfully lobbied for the expansion of militarism for decades which has proven incredibly profitable and is also destroying the planet faster than almost anything
Both duopoly parties get funding from the worst racketeers, liars, and murderers of the world; the richest most monstrous exploiters that exist. I’m not voting Green, I’m voting for Claudia De La Cruz for PSL — but taking swings against the greens who are one of the few taking anti-war stances vs these duopoly-of-imperialists who are unified in genocide and always have been unified in genocide, and are continuing to be unified in all of the worst policies including now Biden doing Trump’s border shutdown after deregulating and privatizing some of the concentration camps (a very Republican thing to do), just makes no sense.
The people who need this consent-manufacturing level of criticism of OP and a lot of comments are not the Greens or other 3rd parties; the people who are ruining the world and the country are not the Greens and other 3rd parties. Muslims have been coming out in support of the 3rd parties because the Greens and PSL and West’s party are the only ones not being actively evil. Democrats have no reason to not be actively evil and keep flying to the right if everyone’s going to vote for them no matter what because they’re "((barely) not the republicans).
What do you think a political party is?
If you think a political party (or “serious electoral/political effort”) is just “names on a few ballots,” there is no amount of crayons that someone can use to draw you a picture and get you up to speed.
Pick a candidate or GoTV organization to volunteer with for a while and come back after that experience.
Did do that, helped several greens get elected. The green party has more grassroots support than any dem pres candidate in history. You have billionaires, racist soccer moms, aipac, and no real humans on your side.
The green party has more grassroots support than any dem pres candidate in history.
Do you have a source or was this bullshit pulled from your own ass?
Yes they are a much smaller political party, that doesnt mean theyre not putting in serious effort
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The one guy running for a seat on the Arizona Corporation commission is the only one I saw running in the short of race where the Greens have a chance to affect change. Running for the federal House or Senate isn’t where they should be focusing their efforts until they build a base of support.
Why not run for the House? A seat has 750k-800k population and quite a few districts are much further left then US average. If a further left candidate would run its those seats, that would force the Democrats to move left.
That’d take more effort than bitching on the internet.
As history has shown, it would actually make them court the right even harder.
Whoah whoah whoah. They shouldn’t run for state-level office until they’re landslide winning every mayoral election and student council.
Can’t speak for many of the rest, but jade plants are from southern Africa. I demand geophylogenetically accurate memes.
Jade plants were very popular as house plant in the soviet union, everyone had one at home. This could be a reason why AI got confused there
Everybody knows that the best political arguments are generated by “AI”, \s
No one person, thing, or organization I regularly interact with has tried as hard as lemmy.world to convince me she is some kinda fucked up spoiler effect politics demon.
Maybe dems should actually try to make ranked choice voting happen for real, instead of lip service to the idea, if they want the people who prefer third parties to support them. And maybe dems should attempt to do anything at all to address the concerns of the third party voters, instead of just threatening them with trump some more. Just some ideas that might alleviate the problem more effectively than getting really mad at people on the internet.
“And maybe they should do it RIGHT NOW, and maybe I’ll vote then but it’ll still be for not Dems, and maybe they should also stop genocide, and maybe maybe maybe. …”
Did I capture your full wishlist there? Anything else you’d like now without regard for how long it takes?
Let’s be real here, Harris could bend over backwards and support every single one of their positions and they still would find an excuse not to vote for her. It’s not about actually achieving anything. If they actually cared about Palestinians then they’d work with the one viable candidate who could work towards a ceasefire (and Harris has openly said she wants a ceasefire and two-state solution, don’t give me that “both sides” bullshit. You know Trump is worse) instead of throwing away their vote and pushing nothingburger parties that can’t achieve anything in the current system and siphon votes away from the only viable party who could achieve a ceasefire.
If they really cared about moving the country forward, they’d be working from within to push the Dems leftwards so that they might get what they want. Change doesn’t happen in a day, and it certainly won’t happen through third parties. In a FPTP system, change must happen from within.
Isn’t that what they tried with Bernie? How many times should Charlie Brown try to kick that football?
It takes more than just Bernie and the Squad. They’re very much a step in the right direction, but the movement needs to be larger than that. Right now progressives don’t have enough seats in Parliament to be considered a serious threat. Change that, and we might start seeing serious progress. Until then, everyone should be working on the local and state level to push progressive politicians in office and most importantly working to keep regressives out.
Did I capture your full wishlist there?
No. Not even close.
But yes having a liberated and democratic society that doesn’t support genocide is pretty high on the list.
Have fun being really mad on the internet I guess
Whoa you think that reply was someone being mad? Oh boy you’re in for some disappointment as I chuckled, wrote my response and went on with my day.
Talk about totally missing the point.
It’s very weird having scrolled in my feed toward the world stuff. It almost seems artificial, like the redditors all collected here with all the hivemind weirdness and astroturfing.
and yeah, Democrats would rather send their dark-money and ‘venture-capitalist’-funded PAC lawyers to purge 3rd parties from ballots (really democratic, Democrat party; I’m writing in PSL regardless if they can’t get back on and telling everyone I know to) than make themselves appealing at all to the people abandoning their moribund and redundant party ‘like rats from a sinking ship’.
They would rather fight with the Republicans over the (shrinking) voter base of rich and upper ‘middle class’ petty bourgeois rightwingers, and alienate all of their leftwing base, and continue abandoning the 35-50% that straight up don’t vote for either of these duopoly-of-exploiters in this fascist-and-vampire show, than reorient toward positions of “not genocide” or “not nuclear-brinksmanship forever-war proxy-wars” or “not-constantly bipartisanly increasing and expanding the US military and neo-colonial racketeer system which is incidentally one of the leading contributors to climate change.”
or “not continuing filling the world with CIA torture camps” or "not being just as or in some ways more right wing than trump on immigration somehow
It’s telling that they refuse to do any of these things a large portion of the population wants; to the point where Muslim groups are advocating voting for 3rd parties who aren’t for drinking the blood of Palestinians (apparently a tall order for US politicians), and instead would rather put so much effort into demonizing and crushing 3rd parties who do advocate against these things.
I don’t even know if they’re capable of not flying to the right and pandering to right wingers more and more due to their donor base. Their structure is inherently based on funding and campaigning and working for the worst billionaire imperialists and arms-dealer death-merchants in the world and AIPAC and tech monopolies etc. If we all pushed up the PSL to hold their working class margins hostage that they (unlike republicans) actually rely on and take for granted, they might break in half trying to reorient. Maybe they’d float a reformist party to prevent everyone going socialist against the open-fanged republicans who nobody ever had any illusions about and half the dems who are basically republicans will join them, and the other half will flee to the new reformist party (probably alienating their “left wing” into more radical politics because that party would become democrat-ified)
People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they’re different and ‘acting resistance’ at all to the republicans, when they’re really not that different — and where they (barely) are different, they just capitulate and help the Republicans do whatever they were going to do, in the name of “bipartisanship” and “reaching across the aisle”. Like when Obama had both houses of congress and refused to enshrine women’s bodily autonomy and LGBTQ civil rights into law. And then gave away a free Supreme Court seat in capitulation. Then Biden denounces the idea of pushing to expand and pack the court because it’ll “politicize the court” as if that ship isn’t gone past the horizon forever, while doing nothing as women’s and LGBTQ rights are torn down throughout the country, even with a Democrat president. It’s almost like they don’t actually care, or even like when women’s rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look ‘better’ by comparison after creating the problem in the first place, and keep the vampire-and-fascist (dog-and-pony) show going, and get all the gullible liberal votes that “they’ll vote for us anyway — we’re not the republicans” Which circles back to why they’re so scared of and pushing demonization and repression of 3rd parties I guess. That’s a pretty sweet cruise-control-deal they have hoodwinking the populace in a sort of face/heel drama for their ‘audience’
If only you could put that same effort into looking at the GOP. This post is disingenuous as fuck.
People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they’re different and ‘acting resistance’ at all to the republicans, when they’re really not that different
There is a fundamental difference between Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans with regard to domestic policy and social issues. That’s why you’ve got folks like Obama and Hilary and Biden bending on gay marriage, throwing kickbacks to the domestic EV market, playing ref between Big Business and Unions, and occasionally kicking some money back for student debt relief. This, while Republicans seem to prefer anti-Trans witch hunts, bailouts to failing coal companies, a court packed full of Pinkertons, and full privatization of the education sector.
I’m sympathetic to folks who see the choice between Trump and Harris as a question of whether we’re going to do full scale Final Solution shit to the LGBTQ community, because looking at Florida and Texas you can see legitimacy to that fear.
But when it comes to foreign policy? The MIC has both parties by the balls. This “Trump will be worse on Gaza” is pure cope. This is a campaign of extermination that Biden has actively facilitated. There’s nothing left for Trump to do. Similarly, with Ukraine, the fear is that Trump’s going to step in and deprive Zelensky of our latest arms shipment. He won’t. Trump loves his arms deals almost as much as he loves his trade deals.
It’s almost like they don’t actually care, or even like when women’s rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look ‘better’ by comparison after creating the problem in the first place
Domestically, liberals are perfectly happy to push Women’s Rights and LGBTQ Rights amendments at the state level. The biggest hurdle for Dem state reforms have been shitty governors like Hochul and Newsome. When you have a Beshear at the helm, he’s happy to rubber stamp progressive reforms even from a state as red as Kentucky.
Nationally, Biden fucking sucks. Harris sucks. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. But Dems do have people on their roster that don’t suck. Dem populism does still exist, particularly in the smaller states.
But the Dems are trending towards a very scary nationalist reflection of the GOP. The Eric Adams style candidate is a fucking sociopath and they’re as common to the party as any milquetoast Beto or SucDem AOC. The quality progressives - your Jamal Bowmans and Cori Bushs - are being drummed out of the party by big money. The Silicon Valley hucksters - your Gilibrands and Newsoms - are continuing to climb the ladder.
Its fucking crazy when you’ve got Dems clapping like seals over the Dick Cheney endorsement. Grim tidings for the future of the party.
Most dems are not clapping like seals from Cheney’s endorsement. Most of us want him to fuck off. But we can also look to instances like that of how far the Republican Party has fallen when a literal war criminal is like “this is too much even for me”.
we can also look to instances like that of how far the Republican Party has fallen
The Cheneys have fallen. The GOP is doing the exact same shit its been on since the Eisenhower Administration. This revanchist “I remember when Republicans were kinda good aktuly” is playing right into Trump MAGA rhetoric.
No, they are far more extreme than they were before. I literally called Cheney a war criminal. They have never been good, but it’s absolutely true that they are worse than before (republicans). You seem to think in very binary terms which helps makes sense of your simplistic world views.
No, they are far more extreme than they were before.
The extremist rhetoric you’re hearing today was echoed during the Bush Unitary Executive era and was arguably even worse during the Reagan and Nixon eras, when the then-President was significantly more popular.
it’s absolutely true that they are worse than before (republicans).
They’re less popular than before, so the fascist policies Americans used to nod and smile at during the War on Drugs or the War on Terror are no longer going down so smoothly. And we’ve had nearly half a century of ramp up. So police brutality was more remarkable during Rodney King, when a few city cops could bludgeon a guy on camera, than in the modern day when the NYPD can merc a guy and two other civilians in the subway over bus fare.
But the policies? The rhetoric? The machismo attitude? The bigotries? Its the same shit. In many cases, its the same people. John Bolton was literally a Reagan guy who had served in every GOP administration up to Trump. Elliott Abrams was directly implicated in Iran-Contra. Rumsfeld and Cheney were cronies under Gerald Ford, ffs. They were doing all the same bloody-fisted international brutality and signing off on all the domestic immigrant hunting and domestic fear-mongering that we’ve seen under Trump.
Trump’s judicial appoints are the same Federalist Society hacks that crawled up through the bowls of the prior administrations. His cabinet is stacked with Reagan and Bush Era state level officials. Pence was a Reagan Republican and a Rush-style reactionary talk radio host who worked at the same “Alliance Defending Freedom” right-wing legal lawsuit mills as House Speaker Mike Johnson and SCOTUS judge Amy Comey Barret and Trump AGs William Barr and Jeff Sessions and Missouri Senator Josh Hawley. A 31 year old institution founded by James Dobson, an arch-conservative Christian Fundamentalist.
This is who they have always been.
It almost seems artificial, like the redditors all collected here with all the hivemind weirdness and astroturfing.
Because, of course, that’s exactly what did happen. Lemmy isn’t quite as bad as reddit (yet), but they’re working hard to make it that way.
I just she already did it once before…
Third parties have never “spoiled” a us election. Clinton lost because she was an unqualified, unelectable conservative demon, and simply did not get enough core Dems to turn out to vote for anyone.
Conservative, yeah. Unelectable, sure. As far as unqualified? AFAIK, she meets the wickets to be president.
Only technically. But then again ever 35+ year old person. Born in this country meets those qualifications.
We must rally behind score voting, and not ranked choice (at least that is, if we want actual reform to stick)
lip service to the idea
Where do they do even that?
You guys do realize that the whole world laughs at your inability to conceive proper left politics, right?
A) Jill Stein ≠ left politics B) “proper left politics” involves doing more than just running as a presidential candidate every 4 years funded by the political party in farthest opposition to your political agenda.
Alleged political agenda, just to make it crystal clear.
Don’t hate the player. Hate the game.
That’s because we have a Russian plant at the helm of the only, let’s be honest, sort-of-not-really viable third party in this country. We need an overhaul of our voting system to get out of this mess, like with RCV
Image thinking Russia is left-wing.
Imagine thinking that leftism is a coherent ideology, instead of an arbitrary list of disparate and often-contradicting positions.
Edit: lmao stay mqd, tankies.
If you think red fash are leftist, that explains why you don’t understand leftism.
Correct; I think tankies pretend leftism is a coherent thing (particularly one that includes them) because it helps them infiltrate, corrupt, take over, and destroy leftist projects.
The negation of this fiction is an attack against them for that reason.
That’s ok we got all the money. Your country does what we tell it to, I’m betting.
Ohhh he’s proper left politics Jill stein poasting! He’s gonna dissennnnnnnttttttt
Oh man! Making the russian flag out of her and using her hair as the white is golden!
Actually it’s white
Yes, which is gold.
It sucks that common mugwort is still illegal here in Indiana. Thankfully, there’s a dispensary about 30 minutes away in Illinois.
Wait does it have psychoactive properties? First I’m hearing of mugwort, sounds like a witch should use it.
I think you need to take a closer look at the plant labeled as mugwort.
Oh I see the joke lol. It doesn’t really look that much like weed and other plants do have psychoactive properties too sometimes, tbf! Haha.
Dude, that’s literally weed.
This is mugwort.
Well, this is the weed I’m familliar with
No buds on the drawing, and some of the leaves go back down the stem in the drawing like the above picture of mugwort, not weed.
a scientific drawing of weed in a similar style would look more like this.
I guess I’m just too familiar with actual weed plants, so it doesn’t look exactly right to me because it isn’t.
What’s with the focus on Jill Stein? Third parties aren’t relevant and the number of people who vote for them is far overshadowed by the number of people who don’t vote at all. There are better uses of time than this lame two minutes hate session.
Russian shills + USA republicans began pushing propaganda for her in a big way after they couldn’t find a decent angle to effectively attack Harris like they did with Biden. Leave that propaganda unchecked and she will divert more than a few votes because propaganda works, so fortunately there is a lot of pushback in the other way.
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Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already lost two elections they had the majority of votes in.
Harris, while popular, is in a dead heat in several swing states with Trump and it’s very likely she’ll lose. Liberals think that having third party candidates takes away votes from Harris even through all evidence points to the contrary.
Since
DemocratsRepublicans are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already ~~lost~won two elections they had themajorityminority of votes in.FTFY.
Since Democrats and Republicans are the same party…
FTFY
Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college
The Democrats would love to do away with the EC because it would swing the power wildly in their favor. The problem is that they can’t unilaterally do it because it would require a constitutional amendment that would require Republican controlled states to vote against their own power.
It’s dead in the water which is why it’s never heavily pursued…and you’re blaming this on democrat corruption? What a wildly delusional take.
Because this is the time of year that Stein starts pushing herself as a candidate after doing nothing for 4 years, and this is an incredibly close presidential race where voting third party is dangerous. Stein herself is also extremely questionable as a candidate so of course people are going to talk about it. There is a vocal minority of Lemmings who are pushing Stein and other third parties very hard, so I can completely understand why others are pushing back with threads like this one.
What’s with the focus on Jill Stein?
She’s a release valve for the Arab-American protest vote. Arab-Americans are concentrated in the Midwest. Kamala desperately needs the Midwest wall to hold in order to win the White House.
“Jill Stein is a Russian Plant” is going to become “Arab Americans stabbed America in the back” in a few months, particularly if Harris loses. We’re just seeing the prelude to the anti-Muslim hysteria boiling up in the Democratic Party.
What’s with the focus on Jill Stein?
She makes Harris look bad.
DNC messaging push (https://front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/MoveOnThirdWay3rdPartiesMemoJune24.pdf).
I’m hoping for their sake OP is getting paid for this.
Man those shareblue checks must be ridiculous this year.
RFK is still paying. If you do it right you can get Koch, Soros, and RFK!
Libs seething that Greens won’t compromise on genocide.
They’re terrified, because the election is close and a reliable liberal voting block - Arab Americans - is increasingly disenchanted with a liberal leadership that’s pandering to fascists.
If too many Deerborn, Michigan residents defect from the Harris ticket, liberals are going to be foisted with another four years of Trump. And then the Arab-Americans will be to blame, of course. Not the AIPAC lobbyists or the MIC merchants of death or the O&G land-thieves or the domestic white nationalists. Its those stupid Arabs and their pro-Russian Jill Stein agenda.
They will 100% compromise on war crimes. It’ll just be for
UkraineRussia rather than Israel. Edit: make sure I’m clear on who I’m talking about.Why not neither?
Why not, indeed.
According to Jill she was there to…
deliver the—one of the main messages of my campaign, which is that war has failed in the Middle East and that we need a peace offensive consisting of a weapons embargo and a freeze on the funding, the bank accounts of those countries that are sponsoring terrorism. At the time, Russia had just begun to bomb Syria. And my message was that Russia was following in the disastrous footsteps of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.
So ironically she was actually there talking about a very similar subject in a way to this exact post, war in the middle east. Good to see she hasn’t changed her policy, I guess.
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/1/jill_stein_on_trump_as_a
Can I get a dinner with Putin where I tell him he shouldn’t do bad things in the Middle East? Because as far as world leaders are concerned, Jill Stein is only slightly more important than you or me, unless Putin has a much more specific reason.
I bet if you were the Green Party’s (or even the Libertarian’s) nominee for the 2016 presidential race you could, in 2015, yes.
Probably not now but things have changed a little since then if you haven’t noticed lol.
Dude, that statement above is brazenly self-serving. She wasn’t there to do anything about the Middle East. You only get dinner invites with Putin if he expects to get something from you. Doubly so when Michael Flynn is sitting right next to him.
I still remember back in January? February? Libs were telling me that Gaza wouldn’t be a factor in this election, because nobody really cared.
This isn’t still true? What percentage of people genuinely plan to vote Green this election? Lemmy is the only place I’ve seen Jill Stein mentioned, at all.
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This comment is sponsored by Russia, China, and Iran.
It must be the fault of foreigners right? Because no “true American” can be critical of our own country’s military industrial complex?
Dems have fully transitioned into Bush era Republicans
What are you being critical of? You’re definitely being disingenuous. Jill Stein is garbage, has been photographed with Putin and his staff at events, and is working with republicans.
If you wanna defend what the Green Party used to aspire to go right ahead but when they hold near 0 offices around the country, and I believe actually 0 at the federal level at some point you blaming that on dems starts to sound a whole lot like republican propaganda.
Y’all have some false equivalency between dems and trump republicans but you can’t see that most dem voters would be aligned with your views more than the right if you weren’t only trying to spoil our candidates.
What are you being critical of?
The American military industrial complex. That’s what I said in the comment you’re responding to.
So you are implying that Jill Stein is genuine and not most likely a foreign asset. Because that’s the original point of this post, not propping up the military industrial complex.
But I also see the .ml on your instance….so it all becomes clear.
I’ll rewind since you apparently have short term memory loss and can’t use the “show context” button.
I commented:
This post is sponsored by Lockheed, Raytheon, and AIPAC
Then you responded:
This comment is sponsored by Russia, China, and Iran.
Then I said:
It must be the fault of foreigners right? Because no “true American” can be critical of our own country’s military industrial complex?
Then you had a memory wipe apparently and started writing paragraphs about something else instead of addressing anything that I wrote
As a plant watcher, or whatever this is called, I can assure you that this chart will not help you recognised local flora.
I sat on a stinging nettle a few years ago when I had a mostly outdoor job. Now I am an expert in identifying them.
Imagine the indigenous person hungry enough to figure that out.
That’s an interesting question. I can’t even imagine it was hunger as even kgs of green leaves won’t satiate a family’s hunger. Maybe it was an attempt at checking if the plant could cure when cooked? Maybe it was believed that all stinging and poisonous plants had magical properties? Who knows.
It’s like rhubarb. It’s all poisonous except the stems.
I hate stinging nettles so much… They’re always the first to pop up in spring and ruin an otherwise nice walk in the forest.
I must be too American to understand this one ^^;
Stien is the nominee for one of the worthless 3rd parties we have here. The only people who vote for her are narcissists who call trump Hitler but are okay with letting him win by throwing away their votes so they can pretend to be extra liberal. In some ways they are just as bad as trump supporters.
Divide-and-conquer just enough to let bush win, then trump.
It’s because of these bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL mY pUriTeH assholes that we got the Iraq invasion, the Kyoto Protocol global warming agreement being ignored and discarded, the indifferent federal response to the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, children in cages separated from their immigrant parents, the sluggish response to Covid, etc.The world an objectively worse place via republican excrement policies, none of which would have happened if these narcissistic assholes weren’t enamored of the stench of their own mUh PuRiTeH! flatulences to see a clear and present danger in front of our noses.
In a way they’re worse. At least MAGAs are open about being shitty people and don’t pretend otherwise. Stein supporters will act smug and superior (“I didn’t vote for Trump directly, so my hands are totally clean!”) while they let Trump fuck everyone (Gaza included) over. They’re so focused on what’s happening across the ocean that they don’t care about the dumpster fire happening at home unless they can use it as ammunition to push “BoTh SiDeS” bullshit.
Same. I was just like, “ooh, I love jade plants!”
This “Jill Stein is trying to spoil the election” makes no sense.
Jill Stein did not found the Green Party. If Jill Stein didn’t exist, the Greens would just choose another candidate. The outcome would be the same.
She is not an independent like Bobby Kennedy. Are you suggesting the entire Green Party is made up of Russian plants?
Wish tumbleweed was on there, considering how it was used to undermine American farms.
