Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
including scores of women and children
This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but… that’s always seemed weird to me.
I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they’ve killed two thousand scores of people. “Scores of women and children” doesn’t really do that justice.
It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.
Yeah, that’s true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.
Life is harsh when you’re a guy.
Given the Israeli position on military rape, it’s just a different flavor of attrocity.
But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan
The age old problem of “excess males” solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.
In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.
And a child is assumed to be a future combatant.
Anyone past puberty actually.
Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children “sounds” worse than “people” dying.
He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.
Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.
wait ok, i’m confused why do we hate the US government? Is it because it’s doing global geopolitics shit? Like what’s the motive for caring about this, as opposed to like, stopping world hunger.
Like the motive for the latter is obvious, but i don’t really see the motive for the former. It just seems like yelling at a vast brick wall for no reason.
As an American I can assure you that there’s no shortage of reasons to hate our government. Don’t sweat it, just pile on all the reasons you want.
i mean yeah but like, what the fuck is the point? I hate a lot of things for stupid reasons, i feel like as far as the government goes, that’s something that i have a pretty direct involvement with that i can pretty directly influence change with. What’s the point being mad about it when i could be doing something about it instead?
why do we hate the us government
uhhhh where do you wanna start. I mean pick a year between 1776 and now. Pick a month, probably.
Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.
If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that’s part of the problem. There’s elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.
Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we’d actually see some effective change.
The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:
Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run
The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:
so then go and push/vote for voting reform, federally and more importantly at a state level, shit like IRV is very much within reach.
Elections that can affect things on a national level are still only once every two years. I vote in every election but going off on people who vote for but doing it often enough is just stupid.
Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.
Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.
Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”
Bro do you even know what the UN is?
Thoughts and prayers for the world?
The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.
brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?
The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”
US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.
Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.
When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.
The UN does not supply arms to Israel. The UN has passed many resolutions condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, going back decades. They have literally already done everything the UN can do, many times over. They weren’t a governing body with binding powers over where the US sends arms, or who France chooses to support.
So I’d have to say that your comment is less effective than their walkout, because it isn’t even properly informed.
The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.
If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.
Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.
It’s the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try
Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won’t save lives.
The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don’t understand what their purpose is.
Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don’t end up in wars they did not want.
Maybe so… but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
well then russia would be right about NATO lmao
If these countries want to do something about it they can
Yes, but they don’t. They go grab a coffee. Look, I know many countries are very vocal about their disagreement. I’m just so pissed there are still others (mine included) that seem to be absolutely blind to any of the atrocities and respond with neverending loyalty. In my county I even understand that to a degree, but still I’m beyond pissed. Accepting the genocide your ancestors caused and the moral consequences of it shouldn’t result in accepting another one driven by former victims. What Israel does is vile and unacceptable. And I say Israel, not the Israelis or ‘the Jews’, because I’m not a complete idiot. But there are people who might use the antisemite card on this. Maybe because they are complete idiots, or because they are off the same ideals and moral as the Nazis. And this behavior sickens me.
Well yes, the risk that is present is that if countries where to openly intervene and wage war against Israël, the US would intervene on the side of Israel.
Talking in the UN allows them to weigh their options, which allows them to make more informed decisions. Regardless of the subject matter at hand.
I’m not talking about war with Israel. But condemning them. Stopping trade. Calling in diplomats. There’s a lot of granularity between peace and war.
Do you think this isn’t a condemnation by diplomats?
I think it is. As soft and vanilla as they get. Meanwhile people are dying by the hundreds and thousands a day. I’m not sure if the reaction meets the required pressure.
Only the US (or Israel’s Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.
This might matter in ten years if Netanyahu hangs.
That sack of shit should have been arrested.
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