I really don’t get how people see shit like libs saying you have to vote for Harris or you’ll get what’s coming to you when Trump comes to power, as anything but voter intimidation.
If the Dems lose the election then that’s squarely on them for not having good policy, it’s up to them to win voters. How can you look upon someone rejecting genocide and hate them for it? How is that position so hard to understand?
For what it’s worth I think people should vote Harris but I can’t fault anyone for refusing to do so.
Imagine willingly posting pro-imperialist propaganda and thinking that makes you morally superior…
Its Because modern dems (the very online ones) have a cult-like devotion to their presidential candidate like maga does, to them their leader cant fail, they can only be failed.
so you have things like Kamala supporting unpopular policies like the war in gaza, harder border policy or bipartisanship, and to them the real problem its the minorities dems have constantly thrown under the bus like muslims or migrants for not showing undying loyalty to the democratic party
Fucking Ministry of Truth level bullshit wow. Like the sheer audacity of saying something so outrageously incorrect with a straight face. There’s gotta be a term for this kind of propaganda. Is it gaslighting? That doesn’t feel quite correct. It’s very Russian.
See that’s the kind of stuff the person you replied to was referencing. It couldn’t be that a fellow American on the left has a different opinion than you do, oh no, that would mean that maybe there’s some cause to question your own convictions. No, of course not, it must be a Russian shill.
Actually in this case I was referring to the style of propaganda. It’s got a similar feel to the infamous Russian reverse cargo cult method. Kind of like, “authoritatively say that the sky is yellow, not blue, and ridicule anyone who claims it is blue”. With the goal of removing the idea of an objective reality from the debate, so that in future they can say whatever they want unchallenged.
Worst case the whole thing becomes a distraction, arguing about whatever absurdity the person has claimed. And since it’s easy to just make up new absurdities, they can keep their opponent distracted while they throw in jabs against their true enemies (Democrats…It’s always Democrats).
It’s kind of a win-win style of propaganda, but it probably needs rapid follow-up to keep the opponent off balance.
So yeah, not insulting that person at the moment, just musing on the rhetorical aspects of the lie they told.
Sorry, let me be a little more direct: I don’t give a fuck what you people think. You gave up all right to reasoned discourse when you started arguing propaganda in bad faith. So sometimes I will ignore you and comment on your propaganda directly. I find the particular structure of this one interesting. If you were under the delusion that I was trying to debate you, you may leave now.
If the Dems lose the election then that’s squarely on them for not having good policy, it’s up to them to win voters. How can you look upon someone rejecting genocide and hate them for it? How is that position so hard to understand?
By that logic, the Greens are to blame for the climate crisis because they didn’t get enough voters. And it’s the communists’ fault they didn’t teach enough people class consciousness for there to be a revolution.
I don’t really follow tbh. The Greens could have the best policy, but there not a major party so that won’t affect their vote count. They gotta play the loud game while major parties need to appeal to the wider base
I really don’t get how people see shit like libs saying you have to vote for Harris or you’ll get what’s coming to you when Trump comes to power, as anything but voter intimidation.
If the Dems lose the election then that’s squarely on them for not having good policy, it’s up to them to win voters. How can you look upon someone rejecting genocide and hate them for it? How is that position so hard to understand?
For what it’s worth I think people should vote Harris but I can’t fault anyone for refusing to do so.
Imagine willingly posting pro-imperialist propaganda and thinking that makes you morally superior…
Its Because modern dems (the very online ones) have a cult-like devotion to their presidential candidate like maga does, to them their leader cant fail, they can only be failed.
so you have things like Kamala supporting unpopular policies like the war in gaza, harder border policy or bipartisanship, and to them the real problem its the minorities dems have constantly thrown under the bus like muslims or migrants for not showing undying loyalty to the democratic party
Fucking Ministry of Truth level bullshit wow. Like the sheer audacity of saying something so outrageously incorrect with a straight face. There’s gotta be a term for this kind of propaganda. Is it gaslighting? That doesn’t feel quite correct. It’s very Russian.
See that’s the kind of stuff the person you replied to was referencing. It couldn’t be that a fellow American on the left has a different opinion than you do, oh no, that would mean that maybe there’s some cause to question your own convictions. No, of course not, it must be a Russian shill.
Actually in this case I was referring to the style of propaganda. It’s got a similar feel to the infamous Russian reverse cargo cult method. Kind of like, “authoritatively say that the sky is yellow, not blue, and ridicule anyone who claims it is blue”. With the goal of removing the idea of an objective reality from the debate, so that in future they can say whatever they want unchallenged.
Worst case the whole thing becomes a distraction, arguing about whatever absurdity the person has claimed. And since it’s easy to just make up new absurdities, they can keep their opponent distracted while they throw in jabs against their true enemies (Democrats…It’s always Democrats).
It’s kind of a win-win style of propaganda, but it probably needs rapid follow-up to keep the opponent off balance.
So yeah, not insulting that person at the moment, just musing on the rhetorical aspects of the lie they told.
Thanks for the lesson in semantics, but it doesn’t address my point in the slightest. Sort of ironic I guess.
Sorry, let me be a little more direct: I don’t give a fuck what you people think. You gave up all right to reasoned discourse when you started arguing propaganda in bad faith. So sometimes I will ignore you and comment on your propaganda directly. I find the particular structure of this one interesting. If you were under the delusion that I was trying to debate you, you may leave now.
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Ladies and gentlemen: The Enlightened Left.
By that logic, the Greens are to blame for the climate crisis because they didn’t get enough voters. And it’s the communists’ fault they didn’t teach enough people class consciousness for there to be a revolution.
No, I said it’s their fault for not getting elected, that’s all. I didn’t say anything about the democrats failing to do some policy thing…
I don’t really follow tbh. The Greens could have the best policy, but there not a major party so that won’t affect their vote count. They gotta play the loud game while major parties need to appeal to the wider base
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Isn’t fooling anyone. Just throwing that out there. Been seeing it a lot today.
100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. Just saying.