I think it is fucking reprehensible that the only two parties we have to choose from both support genocide. It doesn’t matter if they support “less genocide.” Supporting genocide makes them a piece of shit, regardless of how much genocide it is. You just find it better because it doesn’t affect you. The fact that I am being made complicit by the realities of the situation I’ve been forced into by the majority in my country (read: white colonizers) really pisses me off.
You’re not going to jab me into thinking you’re contributing in good faith. You aren’t. There’s only a few reasons to dig at Harris and Democrats for something an entirely different country is doing.
None of them are good. None help those we do have the power to help. None deescalate.
Worse, you use the lives of those we can’t help as shelter to make your horrid stance against those we can help seem like it’s somehow a bad choice.
It’s awful. I can’t imagine how you got there, and I don’t want to.
In another country… that our tax dollars fund, we supply weapons to, and we implicitly protect with our military and political power. Ok, sure bud. I’m the one arguing in bad faith. 🤡
The day after Trump is on the TV telling people he’s ringing Netanyahu almost daily to convince him not to agree to Biden’s ceasefire proposals is a pretty shit day to be singing mud at the Democrats over Gaza.
We can stop sending them our tax dollars, seeking then weapons (as dictated by our laws), and stop threatening other countries who attempt to stop this massacre of civilians. How about that?
What actions does that involve? Which treaties would that break? Which other treaties can we then be ready for others to assume we’ll break? How will we respond to that in a way that prevents cascading trust collapse? Is there any way to guarantee to other allies that we won’t turn on them when expedient? How can we guarantee peace is even on the table if we’re suddenly regarded by the whole world as a betrayer? As even less reliable than we’ve already become?
No one is illiterate here. This is a text platform. You keep accusing people of being illiterate, yet didnt say you were voting for harris until you assumed someone would have read it somewhere yet the only mention was way down.
For the record i agree with your position. Its an absolute shame that there is no viable vote AGAINST genocide. Sure we could vote third party, but the third party votes are mostly sapping away from democrats, therefore unfortunately helping trump, who would surely do more to enable israel’s genocide than the dems, who hopefully push back to some degree.
Ive got friends who are refusing to vote in protest of the democrats not taking a hard stance against israel. While i agree with then in theory, in practice i think trump will be worse both domestically and internationally.
All that said, you might benefit from taking a smoke break and stop accusing everyone of being illiterate.
It is called reading comprehension, which is a component of literacy. I’ll quote myself from the comment before I started pointing out the rampant illiteracy in this thread.
“The fact that I am being made complicit by the realities of the situation I’ve been forced into by the majority in my country (read: white colonizers) really pisses me off.”
The 2-party system means getting railroaded a lot.
And yet, libs would rather literally argue for some genocide, than for the abolition of the system that forces them in to that choice (which, when argued so passionately, doesn’t seem like being forced at all).
A no-vote or third party vote didn’t help in the past dozens of elections. This problem is much deeper than who holds office, and what gets me is how it’s been politicized even though neither side has discussed it. It’s likely that Gaza has been used as a crisis tool to once again pit peon against peon while the ones in control laugh. And I’m not talking about the politicians, they are part of the tool, that’s why they aren’t talking about it.
Keep thinking a vote means this, and a non-vote means that. We’re doing exactly what they want us to do, bicker with each other instead of looking.
No. Complicity requires agency. Without a reasonable and viable choice to opt out, it would be unfair to hold you responsible. This situation is more like being a captive audience.
Without a reasonable and viable choice to opt out, it would be unfair to hold you responsible
And who the fuck is going to provide you with that choice? It’s one thing to say you aren’t responsible for how things are, it’s a completely different thing to claim that you have no responsibility for how things will be, depending on your actions, or lack thereof.
As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” […] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. […] The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.
“producing more oil than any country ever has” is making the biosphere unlivable, and causing a mass extinction which will kill more people.
If enough people vote for green parties, we can reverse anthropogenic climate change and stop the anthropocene extinction. If however we keep voting for the omnicidal lesser evil, then we’re voting for omnicidal evil, and complicit in killing more people.
I don’t think “kill fewer people” is splitting hairs. I think it’s gross to leverage Palestine for political points but only against Democrats.
I think it is fucking reprehensible that the only two parties we have to choose from both support genocide. It doesn’t matter if they support “less genocide.” Supporting genocide makes them a piece of shit, regardless of how much genocide it is. You just find it better because it doesn’t affect you. The fact that I am being made complicit by the realities of the situation I’ve been forced into by the majority in my country (read: white colonizers) really pisses me off.
It only comes up with Harris because you don’t care as much about the genocide as much as you do about scoring political points. It’s horrible of you.
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You’re not going to jab me into thinking you’re contributing in good faith. You aren’t. There’s only a few reasons to dig at Harris and Democrats for something an entirely different country is doing.
None of them are good. None help those we do have the power to help. None deescalate.
Worse, you use the lives of those we can’t help as shelter to make your horrid stance against those we can help seem like it’s somehow a bad choice.
It’s awful. I can’t imagine how you got there, and I don’t want to.
In another country… that our tax dollars fund, we supply weapons to, and we implicitly protect with our military and political power. Ok, sure bud. I’m the one arguing in bad faith. 🤡
The day after Trump is on the TV telling people he’s ringing Netanyahu almost daily to convince him not to agree to Biden’s ceasefire proposals is a pretty shit day to be singing mud at the Democrats over Gaza.
One of the options is “unilaterally subject another country to our will”. I take it that’s what you want?
We can stop sending them our tax dollars, seeking then weapons (as dictated by our laws), and stop threatening other countries who attempt to stop this massacre of civilians. How about that?
What actions does that involve? Which treaties would that break? Which other treaties can we then be ready for others to assume we’ll break? How will we respond to that in a way that prevents cascading trust collapse? Is there any way to guarantee to other allies that we won’t turn on them when expedient? How can we guarantee peace is even on the table if we’re suddenly regarded by the whole world as a betrayer? As even less reliable than we’ve already become?
Lmfao, this level of cognitive dissonance seriously should be studied.
It absolutely matters. In a binary choice, if you don’t support the side that supports less genocide, then you tacitly support some genocide.
The results of disregarding practicality for your principles can be ruinous. “The road to hell is paved on good intentions.”
Another illiterate. I’m voting for Harris, I’m just angry at the assholes who forced this choice.
No one is illiterate here. This is a text platform. You keep accusing people of being illiterate, yet didnt say you were voting for harris until you assumed someone would have read it somewhere yet the only mention was way down.
For the record i agree with your position. Its an absolute shame that there is no viable vote AGAINST genocide. Sure we could vote third party, but the third party votes are mostly sapping away from democrats, therefore unfortunately helping trump, who would surely do more to enable israel’s genocide than the dems, who hopefully push back to some degree.
Ive got friends who are refusing to vote in protest of the democrats not taking a hard stance against israel. While i agree with then in theory, in practice i think trump will be worse both domestically and internationally.
All that said, you might benefit from taking a smoke break and stop accusing everyone of being illiterate.
It is called reading comprehension, which is a component of literacy. I’ll quote myself from the comment before I started pointing out the rampant illiteracy in this thread.
“The fact that I am being made complicit by the realities of the situation I’ve been forced into by the majority in my country (read: white colonizers) really pisses me off.”
Another component of literacy is communicating clearly, which you failed to do. You then got upset that people didn’t understand your vague statement.
Paying taxes also makes you complicit in the arming of Israel. You never stated whether you were voting or not.
Me too. Our voting system sucks. We need to get rid of the electoral college and have ranked choice or other system that makes 3rd parties viable.
The 2-party system means getting railroaded a lot.
And yet, libs would rather literally argue for some genocide, than for the abolition of the system that forces them in to that choice (which, when argued so passionately, doesn’t seem like being forced at all).
There are people beyond just you that still need to hear this, apparently.
A no-vote or third party vote didn’t help in the past dozens of elections. This problem is much deeper than who holds office, and what gets me is how it’s been politicized even though neither side has discussed it. It’s likely that Gaza has been used as a crisis tool to once again pit peon against peon while the ones in control laugh. And I’m not talking about the politicians, they are part of the tool, that’s why they aren’t talking about it.
Keep thinking a vote means this, and a non-vote means that. We’re doing exactly what they want us to do, bicker with each other instead of looking.
Bruh, why can’t any of you read. Goddamn.
And what about Palestinians who support Kamala?
https://newrepublic.com/post/187537/kamala-harris-donald-trump-stunning-endorsement
What about Black people who support trump?
The only point you’re making with this comment is that you’re oblivious to how propaganda and indoctrination work.
or maybe the world is a complicated place where people can have different opinions without being brainwashed. grow the fuck up.
No. Complicity requires agency. Without a reasonable and viable choice to opt out, it would be unfair to hold you responsible. This situation is more like being a captive audience.
And who the fuck is going to provide you with that choice? It’s one thing to say you aren’t responsible for how things are, it’s a completely different thing to claim that you have no responsibility for how things will be, depending on your actions, or lack thereof.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/ :
“producing more oil than any country ever has” is making the biosphere unlivable, and causing a mass extinction which will kill more people.
If enough people vote for green parties, we can reverse anthropogenic climate change and stop the anthropocene extinction. If however we keep voting for the omnicidal lesser evil, then we’re voting for omnicidal evil, and complicit in killing more people.