Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the sense of complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
Never forget: Trump doesn’t truly care about anything, except himself. Not even his family (not even Ivanka). He used certain hot-topic issues to get himself elected and thereby stay out of jail, but now he will promptly drop and forget all about them. He can’t be elected again, so he won’t even bother campaigning. I mean… maybe he’ll become a king and nobody will ever vote again, but even there, he won’t be “appealing to people’s worst instincts” anymore - his election not only is a gamer-changer, it has literally CHANGED THE GAME. Except he’s so terribly old, that sometime during his next term he will go the route of Biden and just kinda sit down and rest but never get back up.
We saw this shortly after his first election, where the literal KKK got so terribly disappointed in him for not showing up for them. Granted, he shifted the scale, but nowhere close to what they wanted. And after his impeachment, he failed to show up for the people who were put in jail for showing up for him. And even before all of that, when he was given the Republican nomination prior to his first election, he said that he’d fix campaign financing and unfairness, then within a week (probably a day) said that he was never going to do that. Hey, remember “Lock her up”? Yeah, she’s not locked up, and never will be.
Trump LIED.
So I get why you are feeling down - but don’t allow yourself to fall too deep into depression. That’s what they want you to do - to give up without a fight. But you should not, b/c there’s work to be done - you are needed:-).
I hate to downvote a Star Trek meme, but that top half is inaccurate. America voted for a genocide of American LGBTQ and Gaza. Both.
We “avoided” precisely fuck-all and everyone who claimed otherwise is a blatant goddamn liar.
You’re not wrong. Yeah, I could have done better, but I’m in a self induced drunken rage.
Understandable. I feel sorry for you guys.
It’s directed at people who absolutely cannot vote for Harris due to her stance on Gaza. Instead, they enabled a war on their LGBTQ neighbors.
But that’s my point, though: they didn’t do that “instead.” They did that in addition to!
Fucking lying, bloodthirsty, fascist clowns, all of them.
Now that the election is over, we can admit it: both sides were bad. Sure Trump is worse, but Harris can be blamed too
There’s plenty of anger and blame for everyone today. Trump and his voters are the most at fault. Harris listened to the lobbyists instead of polls about Palestine. Democrats should never have nominated Biden, and shouldn’t have gaslit everyone about the economy being fine. Americans are far right.
And last of all, I’ve never punched a Nazi or joined a union myself.
And last of all, I’ve never punched a Nazi or joined a union myself.
Not yet.
I hope for the best for your safety, sanity, and well being. Fuck this “interesting times” nonsense.
There’s a reason people’s are cursed “to live in interesting times.”
Me as a child:
Wow! History was horrible at times, but so interesting, too! Just imagine if we could have seen that first hand!
Me now:
No, not like that.
I have to reply here because SDF was down for a while and federation is still catching up. I want yout to know, though, you’ve kept me laughing and that has helped me a lot, so thanks for that.
Thank you for doing the same.
The laughter is the release and therapy we’ll be needing going forward.
Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly.
Trump winning also supports the genocide in Gaza.
This is very true. I wanted to address the idea that not a single outlet has touched on, though.
Should just be pointing yes at both.
Trump winning supports the genocide of the planet
Be it because people on the left want to carry out attacks on their peers to falsely prove a point or…
Remember kids: it’s more important to be right than to live happily under a Presidency you
don’t agree withdidn’t win.
Trump literally said Israel should finish the job. You’re getting both genocides and probably a few on top!
Ukrainians in Ukraine too. And immigrants in US. Interesting times.
Tankies See this as a bonus.
A genocide of brown people too. And not just the ones in the U.S. illegally. Anyone who is brown and happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time either without ID or with an ID that a cop thinks is fake or stolen is going to be sent to a camp. That’s not even a “potential” thing. Trump has promised to deport millions of people. There is no way they can do that without accidentally deporting plenty of citizens and putting them in concentration camps first while they work out extradition deals.
So this is wild speculation but if you had to gander, how many days do you think we have till Russia v Poland, 180? 360? I think we are going to have to Tony Hawk it and say 720 at most. Normally it takes Russia 8 years to get a new erection but I hear Trump’s got pills in his mouth
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
Doesn’t matter. They get to LARP with their purity politics. The lives of American minorities don’t matter to them.
I’ve taken to calling them out as exactly what they are: virtue signallers. Like you said, they’re just larping about caring about these people, and boy do they get salty when they have to deny it.
Dumb fucking children
The democrats do not care about American minorities
The number of people who essentially told me that my kid’s life didn’t matter because of Gaza before this election was just disgusting.
And they’re going to stand there as queer people are marched into conversion camps and say it was your fault.
I will put money on the fact no one gets marched into queer camps enmass and forcefully in America
Believe it or not, you being willing to gamble on a child’s life is not an especially good look for you.
I mean, we’ve already had conversion therapy camps that families throw their queer or questioning kids into. Who’s to day that’s not a solution dreamed up here: Project 2025
Forgot this part: LGBTQ+ and what they are already doing now: mediamatters
Odessa, Texas has bounties. Trans person uses the “wrong” bathroom, they can be sued for 10k by any private citizen. Also a misdemeanor crime.
Nex Benedict was jumped and murdered in a high school bathroom in Oklahoma, and the murder was covered up with cooperation between the Owasso PD and the state board of education.
Many states have already invalidated trans licenses. My state has legally defined me back to female. My drivers license says male. That could probably get me sent to jail.
You have the peak masc username.
What about trans people getting marched one by one into prisons with the wrong gender because they got reported for pissing in a public toilet?
Because it’s already the law to do that in some states. I can tell you more about what happens to trans people in prison if you don’t already know, but suffice to say it’s bad.
If this kind of thing can and does happen in the U.S. already, what in the world makes you think that queer youths are not going to be kidnapped and sent to “conversion camps?”
Does it count if they are minors and have their parents supporting it? Or do you only count if the government officially organizes it?
the neat part is now we get both genocides.
He had one genocide, yes. But what about the second (and third) genocide?
And fourth?
Life could be an all you can eat buffet, except every course is genocide.
Its always amazing to me.the lengths someone will go to to avoid blaming their party or candidate for a loss. The blame is not even directed to the millions of people who actively voted for the fascist, but to the political minority with the least impact on the result.
Lets face facts. The DNCs strategy to move to the right and court the mythical moderate Republican failed again. Their strategy to fund extremist Republican candidates in local races was another bet on the goodwill of the GOP voters and look they lost the Senate. They failed you.
They failed the country. They had a huge hand in creating the trump mess for their own assumed gain and yet, none of the average libs will acknowledge it. They took the votes of independents and leftists for granted and decided Liz Cheney and AIPAC would bring them victory and they failed again. Face it.
I indeed blame voters. It’s your damn civic duty
I don’t see why it’s exclusive though.
First and foremost, Republican voters are to blame.
Voters who didn’t make the choice of voting for the milquetoast liberal instead of the overt fascist are to blame.
People who argued for the both sides are the same rhetoric ad nauseam are to blame. I wholeheartedly agree that both sides suck, but let’s not be delusional there’s obviously one that’s worst.
The Democratic party which propped up the most extreme fascists while courting anything supposedly both undecided and to their right instead of all the leftist voters are to blame.
Even if it’s conceptually easier to handle, in such a shitty situation there’s usually a lot of blame to go around.
Big principal Skinner energy
Agreed, it’s their civic duty, but if 2/3rds of the people think the electoral college needs to go,it’s the civic duty of the politicians to represent that. The US democracy is just so terrible that just blaming the voters is the easy way out. It’s the undemocratic system which year over year hasn’t changed even though the consequences were predicted year over year. This is not hindsight!
Hear hear.
Trump won against Harris by a margin multiple times the size of all the third party votes combined. Blaming Stein or Gaza protestors for the loss is false. Heck, this shows that Harris lost Michigan by far more than the total number of Arab-American and Muslim voters in the state. But we get blamed anyway, it’s an American tradition by this point for both parties to hate us.
Do you think Muslim Americans are the only ones who sat out over Gaza?
Then maybe Harris should have listened to what the majority of Americans wanted over her donors.
Oh trump is going to help flatten Gaza with such a raging boner. Everyone that voted “uncommitted” has the blood on their hands they blamed others. Fucking repugnant
I too am over all the genocide Joe dipshits on forums. Congrats you handed the country to a dictator.
I sincerely hope you get the policy on Palestine that you voted for!
I’d encourage any readers of this comment to look at this idiots most recent few posts. They’re a lying, genocide celebrating piece of shit - astroturf or otherwise.
You fought for this result, and now you’re going to try to pretend that you were doing the exact opposite? Fuck all the way off.
Everyone that voted “uncommitted” has the blood on their hands
Once again, the peaceful protesters are responsible for the state violence inflicted upon them. Its just like when the BLM protesters cost Hillary the election. Or when the LGBTQ community and the anti-war movement handed Bush a second term.
Just stop resisting! Stop resisting! Stop resisting or you will be hurt much worse! And then you will have only yourself to blame!
You voted for trump. You’ll get what you deserve.
Nope. Try blaming the right people for a change.
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Wow, victim blaming and bigotry. That really showed me how much you want to save us minorities from fascists right?
Polling shows you’re wrong, but if you want to blame Muslims and Jews (rather than Biden’s screwups that hobbled Harris’ campaign) it’s basically an American tradition by this point.
Theres a little thing called picking your battles
Uncommitted to democracy, uncommitted to secular society, uncommitted to global stability, must I go on.
Honestly I’m hoping he gets stuck between a rock and a hard place. IF he lets Israel do so he cannot help Putin defend Iran, his missile and Drone supplier. Millions will suffer, no doubt. It’s horrifying, but Trump can’t let Israel kill wildly (hard to say they haven’t been) until he gets the majority of the U.S. to side against Russias invasion of Ukraine. Which means also turning against trade agreements in Europe. He will have to kill so much to gain little. (A few beach condos in the West Bank) Is what all of that started about. His son did the appraisals if I remember correctly.
Meaning. Would it not be easier to collect $2 billion in kick backs from Putin and ditch Israel. My thought is that is what he will choose. He will say the ammo caches we have their are dated, and we have no interest supporting foreign wars. So cut funding and ammunitions to Ukraine/Israel. His base will act like it is for a good reason… And he gets his wish. Russia will make an agreement with Iran which will make an agreement with the entire area… That a few beach properties are set aside for the Trump family businesses
After all, the cache loses are U.S. tax dollars, not his
I told this to one of the tankies over in leftymemes, got called a genocide apologist and banned. Funny thing is, one of their mods is trans. Not American, though, so it doesn’t matter to her I guess. And let me tell you, that mod in particular, she was working hard to convince people not to vote for Harris. Didn’t have much to say about Trump, though… pretty interesting.
Asking a tankie what the best path forward is for the US is like a black man asking a Klansman for career advice. They want to see us burn, not be better.
Asking a capitalist what the best path forward is for the US is like a black man asking a Klansman for career advice. They want to see us destitute, not be better.
I really don’t get that.
US is one of the world’s hegemons. They have disproportionate control overthe global energy markets, financial sector, and so much more.
Pretty much wherever you are you will be impacted by US politics.
And it sucks because the US is increasingly becoming a shit hole country.
At least they will get what they deserve. To bad about everyone else.
Bottom panel should be “Genocide in Gaza AND…”
Funny sidestory here:
A week or so ago they had an AMA with someone in Gaza on Hexbear where someone dared to ask the question what the situation was with LGBTQI+ rights right now.
Dude replied: “oh there are no gay people in Gaza, because everyone’s religious here”
Made me frown but upvotes galore and I think they now ran a pretty succesful gofundme for him
This is the only AMA that I found that involved a GoFundMe and had the lgbt mentioned in the thread.
If this is not what you’re talking about, could you find the original thread?
Oh gawd what I won’t do for Lemmy
Here’s the thread in the AMA
And here’s the GoFundMe thread
edit: not really related to the OP anymore but here’s another sad blip from this forced marriage
“no one wants what is happening in gaza, but the potential genocide in north America is even higher”
Have you tried opening a newspaper recently? What is happening in Palestine is worse than anything else happening in the world; to say that your potential event could be worse than that is a tremendous display of ignorance and insensitivity.
I, obviously, disagree here. It’s all horrible. However, I have every incentive to vote for my own well being. My point in that statement wasn’t necessarily that it would be worse (I probably should have phrased things better, but I’m no writer), but I do think it could potentially be more impactful for the “West” in the sense that the US could, potentially, devolve into a state similar to Russia (or a large number of nation states) where anyone who is not straight or cisgendered will be persecuted to the point of erasure. And in my personal case, though I know this is anecdotal, potential murder.
You say it’s all horrible like it’s a comparable horror. It’s not. Leaving aside the fact that your described event is hypothetical (and I hope it will stay so, don’t get le wrong I fully support LGBTQ+ rights), comparing murder to planned ethnic cleansing and thousands of civilians lives lost is a negation of the horror Palestinian endure on a daily basis.
Ethnic cleansing, orientation or gender cleansing, I see them as the same. thing. Ever have someone physically assault you for pissing? The drive for murder and erasure is literally on the same scale. The difference has been the backing of a state. Now, that may very well change. We will now have idiots with guns threatening us to to “be normal.” And no, it’s not a comparable horror… yet. I fear for my life constantly.
And, again, I’d like to posit the other meaning of genocide - cultural erasure. This, I think, is very likely.
Sorry, but as a queer Arab I think you’re completely off the mark here. Gaza is a literal concentration camp. People are burning alive every day. What LGBT+ people in the USA could go through under Trump is very bad, but to think it comparable is delusional.
The point is, now we get both.
Trump will go along with whatever Israel wants to do. If Hamas was in power, I can all but guarantee they would be doing the same shit, if not worse.
ETA: I’m not advocating for what is going. I’m just rather pissed that so many people keep doing the counterproductive thing of using this as a reason to vote trump or sit this out. Considering that Trump is worse in this regard and with global warming, humanities only chance is to ramp up efforts like the US is a lost cause, because for the next 2 years at least, we are.
Where have you seen that I’m advocating for Trump? I’m not even American! Every time I see someone criticizing the role of the US government in the Palestinian massacre, somebody come and says “yes but Trump”. I know trump is worse, can I still criticize the current US government or do I have to wait for the campaign to be over?
You have every right to criticize. I really and truly do empathize with what you are saying, believe it or not. You never advocated for Trump. Things are just very tense here in the US. That isn’t an excuse, but maybe an explanation for our overall behavior.
I think this might be one of the effects of dual party system, there is a binary vision to most debates that is more nuanced in multi party countries. I might be wrong though, interested in hearing other’s ideas about it
Well, it’t won’t be like Palestine, but KKK style lynchings, taking away the non-profit status of pro-LGBTQ+ organizations (if not jailing every member of them for “pornographic speech”), forced detrasitions, forced conversion therapies, and jail for existing in public.
Yeah not to downplay the horror in Gaza but you might want to look into what’s happening in Sudan, for example
But I agree comparing discrimination in the US to any of this is pretty crazy
I’m fully aware of what’s happening in Sudan, but since multiple humanitarian organisations have explained that what’s happening in Gaza is the worst they have ever seen, I think it’s safe to say that this is worse than any situation
Sources:
Regarding ‘destruction’ I’m sure Sudan can’t compete because these people had very little to begin with, but when you compare other numbers…
- 200k killed
- 10m refugees
And this comes on top on the previous genocide that just ended a few years ago and killed 300k…
I’m sure you can find plenty of people saying conflict X is ‘tha worst evah’ but that’s just part of their job
I just cited the biggest humanitarians organisations saying that Gaza is the worst situation they’ve had to work on. Could you provide the same citations for another conflict? They’re not just “plenty of people”, they’re the most competent person on the subject
No, you’ve selectively cited from press statements.
For instance, your first source is from March 2024 and only states “worst on record” in its title, and it only comments on the famine situation on that specific moment. The only part from the article that supports the use of the title is this:
In the IPC’s five-tier classification of food crises, Gaza now has the largest percentage of a population to receive its most severe rating (IPC phase 5 - catastrophe) since the body began reporting in 2004. It has also never been recorded that an entire population (or 100%) be in IPC Phase 3 or worse.
Now, of course that’s grim and we all know everyone was raising the alarm around that period. But we also know that, following that, aid increased and a large scale famine has been averted.
Luckily for us, Oxfam has recently released a larger, more comprehensive paper on famine and food insecurity in 2023 and early 2024. With this newer report, I could easily make the case that Gaza only ranks #10 on their ranking on p.16 … I hope this helps
I appreciate that you took the time to provide a document from Oxfam, but saying that my argument is invalid because the situation in one of the fourth articles I provided has slightly improved since the article parution, is to my opinion not very honest
Why would you use a source that improved so much since, to support your argument that Gaza is presently the worst situation?
You’re right that I only commented on your first source, but then why would you use it and put it on the top if it doesn’t make your case? Your use of the word ‘slightly’ is disingenious. Unless more food came in hundreds of thousands of people were going to starve. To say that not starving is a ‘slight improvement’ is an understatement you’re deliberately making to obscure this. This is easily countered by the report I cited as well: they improved to the same level that 5 times more people are on in Sudan. So which of those two is worse by this metric, today?
Your second source is a single doctor who says it’s like nothing he’s seen before. While I appreciate him weighing in, I don’t think that provides conclusive proof that a certain conflict he’s working in is ‘currently the worst in the world’.
Your third source is paywalled, but from what I can read it’s about the first two months of Israel’s retaliation on Gaza, citing the number of 18.000 deaths over this period as the reason why they considered it ‘nothing we’ve seen before’. So first of all they’re talking about a period in the past where the death toll was around 6 times as high as it is today, which also means that your above suggestion that only the situation described in the first of your four articles has 'slightly improved is, to my opinion, not very honest. Secondly, citing the death count as the reason for this doesn’t say everything. Is a single Sudanese village being massacred to the last child ‘worse’? Is more Sudanese being massacred over a longer period less so?
Your fourth source is not one of ‘the biggest humanitarian organisations’ but rather a single career politician. And it’s his job not to understate any crisis he’s commenting on. Here he is calling the one in Sudan “the largest displacement crisis in the world”.
For clarity: I’m not trying to say that I don’t consider the situation for the people in Gaza SuperBad, because it is. But there are conflicts where far more people are suffering and they’re forgotten and falsely considered ‘less worse’ not because they are, but just because they don’t even get 1/1000th of the media attention.
