• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    i bet this will become the first public example of the state surveillance being used to protect our oligarchy from us and; given the democrat’s obstinacy when it came to constructive criticism during the election; americans will treat it as another nothing-burger like they did with the genocide and it’ll become yet another nail in the coffin of the american empire’s decline; besides the election, ukraine’s defeat, afghanistan withdrawal, iraqi wmd’s, etc.

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      the first public example of the state surveillance being used to protect our oligarchy from us

      What do you think it has been used for up to this point?

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      this will become the first public example of the state surveillance being used to protect our oligarchy from us

      This feels hyperbolic.

      The state protects the status quo, including whoever has money. I wouldn’t limit it to surveillance. If we’re just talking about the US, there’s the Battle of Blair Mountain, all of COINTELPRO, Watergate (I think?), etc.

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        the difference is that it’s in the news and has widespread appeal.

        those examples were either done surreptitiously or were only academic exercises in privacy; this is real-world application of that academic theory that has the chance of not being suppressed or ignored due to its notoriety.

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        yes, it’s tankie to spell out reality in the united states.

        sometime i wish this were reddit so i could do remind me next year

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          No it’s a tankie thing to say Ukraine lost when the war is ongoing. You just want Putin’s dictatorship to have more land.

          Down with Russian imperialism.

          Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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            No it’s a tankie thing to say Ukraine lost when the war is ongoing. You just want Putin’s dictatorship to have more land.

            Down with Russian imperialism.

            Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

            i want the ukrainians to exist as sovereign peoples instead of a new vassal state to the dying american empire since the people that i descend from have been trying for almost 500 years to shake off the enslavement of this same empire.

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              There are no proposals of Ukraine joining the United States.

              Russia is the country to blame causing the problems in the region as the Kremlin is responsible for Holodomor and for the rampant corruption in Eastern Europe.

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                the ukrainian inexplicably want to join the american hegemony called nato on the eve of its collapse; they’re better off on their own w/o serving as a a future proxy battlefield with the collapsing united states empire.

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        So is this what people keep talking about when they say they see a lot of tankies in lemmy?

        Cause me reading that, OP was implying the likely defeat given current trend, I did not take it as a support of Putin.