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    Lies, damn lies, and graphs that don’t have the Y-axis starting at 0.

    10% growth in a day is nice, but far from a revolution. Let’s see this trend going for a month.

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      the head dev Dan Sup mentioned the number of active users jumping from 6k to 30k. we’ll see how it holds, but there is strength in numbers, people only stay if other people see what they post there. i have good hopes and really want to ditch instagram

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        I’ve never been on IG but I’m strongly considering a pFed account. Am I churn or am I miniscule net-new?

        And yeah, it’s a hope that the rumoured meta toxicity is somehow magically not on pFed. I wanna see my nephew’s designs and art but not the influencerati junk I fear is on the captive platform.

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          I don’t think anyone here is arguing that the entire world will be using pixelfed by the end of the year, and that its usage will expand to other galaxies by the end of the decade.

          It’s a comment about the current growth curve, and it is both accurate and interesting.

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            Lemmy had the same jump in numbers during the Reddit Exodus. Mastodon had a huge boost when Elon bought Twitter.

            Every spike has been a followed by a slide back to baseline in less than a couple of months. After you’ve seen it happen so many times, it is no longer interesting.

            • xapr [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.org
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              I don’t think that either Mastodon or Lemmy slid back anywhere near as far as back to baseline? Sure, usage went down, perhaps even significantly compared to the peaks, but I think that both retained a lot more users than they had before their respective spikes. I’m an example of someone who came into Mastodon with the Twitter exodus and into Lemmy with the Reddit exodus, and I’ve stayed for both.

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                I don’t mean that the numbers went exactly back where they were. I mean that every spike was followed by a steady decline.

                Compare it with Bluesky now, or compare it with Reddit during Digg’s meltdown. Their growth curves will look like an S-curve, not this series of discrete jumps followed by 40-60% loss.

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              Cool. You… don’t have to engage in discussions that bore you. Why waste your time?

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              The fact that you believe these platforms were the same before and after these events makes it sound like you were not, in fact, there to see it happen. In my experience, it permanently changed both platforms, transforming them from weird niche sites to genuine alternatives.

              That said, what you find interesting or not is not any of my business.

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                  Yeah, I know I shouldn’t bother. I am just annoyed by the misconception that all graphs should always start in 0 on the Y axis, as if it was some law of nature. Shouldn’t allow myself to get dragged in further. :)

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                I am here since before the Reddit backout and I am on Mastodon since 2018. Lemmy was at 15k MAU, went up to over 125k and now is 1/3 of that. Mastodon had 1M 575k something before Elon, hit up close to 2M 1.5M and now is sitting around 800k. (edit: I was looking at the overall charts and used wrong figures. Corrected now.)

                Sure, if your reference point is waaaay before the spikes then what we have now seem “a lot”. However, my point is that these spikes are far from being indicative of mass adoption.

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                    Oh, wow, very impressive! Did you have to use a calculator to get to this challenging result?

                    Communick’s revenue grew 1800% in 2024, compared to 2023. Do you think that makes it successful in any way?

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                  Mastodon had 1M something before Elon, hit up close to 2M and now is sitting around 800k.

                  This stat is really surprising. Do you by any chance have a link where I can see this data?

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      The y axis starting zero does not change the fact that it’s exponentially growing right now. Filter that link posted below for 120 days and it is still a nearly straight vertical line of growth.

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        It’s not exponentially growing. At best, the growth rate has exponentially increased. These are VERY different things.

        It was exponentially growing, the platform would come screeching to a halt and crash.

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          Jesus fucking Christ, you people are miserably pedantic. Nothing about my original post is wrong, so please kindly shut the fuck up with your “well achtually” takes.

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            Ah, the classic response to being proven wrong on the Internet. Have a hissy fit like a 5-year-old and call everyone pedantic etc. You were objectively wrong but there’s no problem with that, everyone is wrong about stuff all the time, the difference is how you handle that. You either act like a mentally grown person and just go “oh, damn, I didn’t know that, thanks for correcting me” or act like you’ve done. No one is out to say that pixelfed isn’t growing, but you’re misrepresenting facts and then being a fucking child about being told so.

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              I’m not calling everyone pedantic. I’m calling you and the other guy who chimed in with pedantic takes pedantic. You can claim you’re right all you want, but nothing about the title of the post “Pixelfed user count has gone vertical” is inaccurate. Whether it’s the user count or the user growth rate that is exponential is irrelevant. Nothing about my post is misrepresenting the fact that on the graph, the number of users is going nearly straight up, exactly as the title describes. Feel free to keep trying to correct me, but I know I’m right because I have eyes and can identify basic shapes. I am very willing to admit when I am wrong, but this is not one of those cases.

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              They seem to be serious. The more concerning thing is that people are agreeing with them. I guess common sense is not so common.

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                I got the same criticism about a similar graph a while ago. Numbers are on the left, people can clearly see how big of a change the graph shows, and I have no way to present the graph differently as it’s straight from the website, but people still want to argue about it

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        The only thing worse than misrepresentation of statistics is completely misguided criticism of statistical representation.

        While we’re at it, the X axis doesn’t start at zero either.