Title. Interested to see the response from different religions
Edit: Stating your religion would be appreciated. Lack of religion counts for the purpose of this question. Also let’s not downvote people for differing religions, all voices are welcome here. If no; why?
there was a show about muslims dating non-muslims in michigan, the guy had to commit to islam to even date the woman. it might be problematic if you arnt one and the other requires religious conversion.
if its associated with right wing political views, no thank you.
Anti-religious atheist here.
You know what…years ago I would have said “no”. Imo, often fundamentalist religious people have views that actively harm society through systemic actions. So it’s not something I am able to generally sit well with.
However, years back I met someone irl (not online) with absolutely polar opposite political and religious views as me. I am an atheist who actually opposes the concept of religion in general and I am very liberal. This person I know is very Catholic and conservative. They are a hardcore Trumper and I have always seen him as a dangerous threat to the US.
Yet…
Over the years, this person has legitimately become my absolute best friend. They are the kindest, funniest, most wonderful person I know. I absolutely love spending time with them. We just don’t debate our polar opposite viewpoints. We still share and talk about deep, personal things…but we don’t instigate political debates or anything like that. I take their views as someone who has been brainwashed by society, and I’m sure they feel the same about me. But it means that I don’t see them as evil for their views and am able to easily look past that.
I don’t know what the fuck I would do in life if I ever lost them. Sometimes they are the reason why I look forward to the rest of my day.
We are not romantically involved or anything. They have a partner and a family, and I wouldn’t be interested with doing that with this person anyway.
But the point is, it taught me that I can have a very deep, personal connection with someone with polar opposite views. Ideally, I would like for a partner to share my views. But life has shown me that it is possible to be opposite like that and still really deeply care for and enjoy someone.
How do you reconcile their views on deportation, human trafficking, LGBT stuff, etc etc etc etc etc with you finding them to be a “wonderful” person? Personally anyone who believes in what Trump is doing is by definition a monster and any niceties they may show other people is either psychopathy or because you happen to be the right color. It’s like the standard bad date test; if they’re a shitheel to their server, they’ll eventually be a shitheel to you too.
I remember bringing up some LGBT stuff to them before. I told them that I initially started questioning religion because it was upsetting to me that my sibling would be sent to hell simply for being gay. Interestingly, they seem to not believe the anti-gay rhetoric of their religion, which is a relief. Trans issues are another matter which does frustrate me a bit…they seem accepting of some trans people in general but have some unfortunate other views on the matter. It is difficult sometimes to reconcile stuff like this though, I agree.
No idea what they think on deportation, but why do you bring up human trafficking? Human trafficking is pretty universally seen by everyone as a bad thing, even Trumpers.
People are individuals and while most of them might lean a certain way, they often have some views that don’t fit the stereotypical mold of their demographic if that makes sense. I found out that my friend was vehemetly against bombing Iran despite being a Trumper.
As another example that is likely to yield me downvotes, I would consider myself an incredibly liberal person. And I do sympathize with someone like Luigi. But I am very opposed to weirdly celebrating what he did like most of the internet seems to do. Compassion and understanding? Hell yeah. Celebrating shooting people? Not so much. I never talk about this with others because I know how unpopular of an opinion it is on the internet. But I brought it up to my Trumper friend and she feels the exact same way.
We are all individuals with our own views and you’re not necessarily going to stumble across the “perfect match” with anything. Part of human relationships is learning who you can and can’t get along with and working through the points that don’t mesh as well. I don’t know what I’m babbling on about really.
As an atheist: no.
I’m atheist, but raised as a pretty diligent episcopal. I wouldn’t have any issue dating someone who is religious. I’ve dated a few women with different religious/spiritual views and it was never an issue. I’ve always been fascinated by religions and their histories despite never really believing in one myself.
I’d honestly be open to the idea of “converting” for someone I love, so long as the culture of their religion is compatible with my existing moral standards. I haven’t been to the point where I’d have to do that, but I don’t see why not to except that I’m not sure if it’s right to simply perform the practices with no belief in the core of it.
No lol
I couldn’t be equals with someone who isn’t living in grounded reality.
I’m atheist, and my partner was Muslim when I first knew her.
People say it doesn’t mater - but honestly it really fucking does.
Imagine being in relationship with someone who never really left North Korea, deep down. There’s so much fear, so much fear-driven obedience, and so much fear-driven defense of the indefensible.
I never really understood the concept of freedom of conscience until I was arguing with one of her friends about Amina Lawal, the Nigerian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery - with her sentence delayed until her baby was weaned. Despite being really very progressive at heart, my partner ended up arguing in favour of it - and then later on was seriously pissed off at me for making her defend that.
She ended up deconverting several years later (certainly not at my behest), and things got immeasurably better from then on.
But that’s not a possibility I’d recommend banking on. My honest advice is just don’t go there, it’s far more stressful than you think it is.
Damn that is hardcore
No, Im not a believer and that is unlikely to change
No. I couldn’t be with anyone who actually takes religion seriously. It just wouldn’t work.
Edit: personally I consider myself an Antitheist.
Marry me
who needs tinder when there’s lemmy ?
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Religious people are generally dogmatic, but then there are people who think they’re religious but don’t actually believe most of the concepts they grew under, besides one or two traditions that essentially just become culture
Eww, no, I’d never date anyone with religious views.
I was raised Christian and am now atheist. I would have a very difficult time being romantic with anyone who calls themself Christian. I have come to despise all levels of it. I don’t believe in the existence of the super natural. I don’t believe in the Christian creation myth. I don’t believe in the resurrection or any miracles of Jesus. I believe most churches are cults that we give a free pass to be cults because it’s more socially acceptable. I believe religion did great harm to me growing up and I believe it does great harm to many other young people. I could go on, but that’s the gist. If someone was somehow Christian and agreed with me on all of those points there might be a chance but I’d still view it as strange that they didn’t see the whole thing as a scam and renounce their faith.
People from other religions I may have similar problems with because even though religions are different their effects are often similar. Even a staunchly pro LGBT church/religion I would have difficulty meshing with because my problems go so much deeper than that.
An exception would be people who are “spiritual” but not “religious”. While I myself am quite skeptical, I am still open to the idea that there’s more. And even if there’s not, sometimes it’s fun and/or beneficial to pretend that there is. So long as they themselves are similarly open to the ideas that they could be wrong and that others could be right I think I could get along quite well with people like this. The truth is I still have moments I would call religious experiences, but I don’t believe they’re revelations of truth. They’re still interesting and fun to talk about. Like dreams.
I wouldn’t get involved with someone from any religion.
If they were personally religious (spiritual) rather than socially/dogmatically religious, then it could work out. As an atheist, I’m not against spiritual beliefs, but their core values must align with mine - that is the important bit here. Obviously, communication about these things would determine where we align, and help determine if we could sustain a relationship, but it’s certainly a possibility.
Note: I include a love of nature, humanism, etc. under the ‘spiritual’ label, as well as traditionally religiously spiritual.
Note: I include a love of nature, humanism, etc. under the ‘spiritual’ label, as well as traditionally religiously spiritual.
Huh. Why?
People dive different things “spiritual”, whether it’s mystical or natural in origin. And “spiritual” can mean different things to different people. So, my label is inclusive.
Ah. It’s somewhat odd for me, as my love for and of nature, as well as (and in the same vein) my ideas about human potential and dignity come from a specifically un- if not anti-spiritual place.
Something like: The material world is not only beautiful (in a fundamental way, I don’t merely mean pretty like a forest on a hill, but also beautiful like all the interconnected systems that make it a forest), but also all there is, and that is part of the reason why caring about feeling beings is important.
But yeah, we always gotta make some judgement calls on who and what we exclude and include with the terms we use.
I guess, I’d say that “spiritual” is something that moves you deeply (you spirit, soul, or whatever you’d like to call it).
This conversation has helped me hone in a bit on my meaning. Thank you.
I won’t get romantically involved with anyone who deeply believes and allows religion, especially organized religion, to drive their lives.
I was raised Catholic. I have seen too many people use their religion to shirk responsibility for their evils.
Washington State mandatory reporter law changes are a great example. In the US it varies by state but in general, people in trusted positions like teachers, police officers, medical professionals, and counselors are required to report child abuse. Priests have had a special exception, even if they were acting as teachers or counselors. Last month, Washington removed the special exception for priests. The Catholic Church is now sueing to keep the right for priests to keep child abuse secret. Ponder that, these people who would put their magical ceremonies over the health, safety, even lives of children. What is the point of that religion? Because it sure isn’t about helping people live good lives.
And Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these … unless they’re being abused and you wait until you’re in the special room with me, chant some special words, and then tell me. Then fuck’em. No, literally, we’ll keep the pedophilia on the down low because the ceremony is more important than the kids”.
I am strongly atheist, and I don’t think I could ever feel like they were equal in intelligence, and respect someone who believes in total nonsense.
