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        I think there’s multiple classifications of food scarcity. Starvation is different than being hungry.

        The source is

        Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or IPC, a consortium of U.N

        Unless we take the “UN is Hamas” route this number seems credible

        People are eating grass in Gaza right now.

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        Meanwhile some totally not complicit countries have cut funding to the unrwa for political gain.

        I know the blockade and bombings impeding access to umanitarian trucks is a giant issue, but the impending collapse of the main provider of aid is the one thing we can colletively stop, donating to the unrwa directly.

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          I personally do not want my tax dollars funding terrorism,. I would hope others feel the same about violence.

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    The IPC, (the people responsible for tracking and declaring famines), have released a report saying this is going to get very bad very quickly if aid isn’t allowed in.

    This is entirely avoidable and creating a famine is not in anyone’s textbook of legitimate military strategies.

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      These animal farmers are making famines worse by driving up demand for cropland and input allocation towards feed crops. The more money is shoved into the animal farming industry, the more famine there will be in the world.

      edit: if you feed food to food, you’re wasting food. This isn’t some obscure fact. The free market on inputs and even on land allocates the resources to who pays more - and subsidies allow the animal industry to pay more, to buy more land, to buy more inputs.

      The future is plant-based. Anyone who doesn’t want people to die of hunger agrees with this.

      https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1713820115

      Global farmers facing fertiliser sticker shock may cut use, raising food security risks https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/global-farmers-facing-fertiliser-sticker-shock-may-cut-use-raising-food-security-2021-12-09/

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        Feel free to educate me if I am wrong, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that famine happens due to lack of logistics rather than lack of limited food in the world. I still think future is plant based for other reasons(emissions, cost, etc) but is the solution to famines producing more food or providing more logistics? Or maybe a combination of both?

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          Currently, with the industrial fossil-fuel food regime, food insecurity (up to famine) happens:

          • due to markets pricing out poor people (doesn’t matter if there’s food around if you can’t buy it)
          • war - destroying food growing capacity, killing or scaring away the agriculture workers, stealing harvests, or just preventing harvest seasons
          • blockades, usually part of war, which is what you see in Gaza
          • local production failure due to various reasons like: weather catastrophes, drought, epidemics, floods, but also economic failures such as the fail to buy inputs by the time they’re needed, such as not being able to buy fertilizers because they got much more expensive to import (because production decreased and/or demand increased such as subsidized demand from rich countries)

          As the climate gets more chaotic, drought, weather disasters, diseases and pests are going to become major factors in this food security state. The other aspect are inputs, especially fertilizers, which depend on fossil fuels which are both running low (getting expensive) AND must be replaced with something that isn’t destroying the planet’s climate. This is called a predicament.

          In any sane society, resources that are scarce would be rationed according to need. And that means using cropland and inputs for food for humans. This is both for dealing with food insecurity and for mitigating climate heating.

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        Animal farmers are much more likely to prevent this specific famine - when you’re displaced from your home, there is no chance you’ll harvest and bring your crops. There is a chance you can bring some animals with you.

        I understand your point, but there’s a time and place for that, and that is absolutely not here.

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          This is the time, any later and it’s too late.

          Stop pretending you are the voice of reason when really you’re just selfish and lazy.

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      Well in the medieval textbooks it was a valid strategy…

      But this is horrific and along the lines of torture. Genocide and death by forced starvation are disgusting, despicable things that should not be happening in this modern era.

      Netanyahu… or however you spell his name… will go down in history next to Hitler, sadly, and the Biden administration supporting this genocide is on the wrong side of history.

      Even with all this said, I’m probably still voting for Biden in 2024. 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

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        You don’t have to go to medieval ages. It was legal to put certain ethnic groups in concentration camps only 80 years ago. Encouraged even…

        Genocide Joe must be punished for his support of israel.

        If you vote Biden this time it directly signals the Democrats that there is no line they are not allowed to cross.

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        For once, I’m glad I live in California, so I don’t have to actually vote for Biden this time (because everyone else will).

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          I’m glad I live in Utah where I will definitely (and defiantly) vote for Biden because nobody else in this baboons butt-red state has the decency or morals to do so.

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            Aha, another Utahn lemmy connesiur in the wild. I’ve tried to convince many to make the transition, dunno if a single one actually has.

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              You wouldn’t have to convince me much to make a transition as far away from this state as possible. It’s my #1 goal on my bucket list.

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                Eh, depends on priorities. Only place in the world that compares in powder quality even remotely is a very rural area in Japan. Let alone southern Utah. But yeah the politics outside SLC are gigafucked

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                  I lived in California for two years and loved it, I didn’t have a regular job but money was sort of in the air - I never lacked for it. And the coast (I lived in Santa Cruz) was stunning. I can’t afford to move back, but that would be my #1 choice. I loved the laid back atmosphere and most of the people there.

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    “The womb of the woman will be our strongest weapon against the Zionists!”

    • Yasser Arafat

    Seems to be a humanitarian crisis of their own doing…

    Imagine if all their concrete and rebar had gone to actual humanitarian projects instead of tunnels and bases to conduct terrorism from…

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      Israel could end this right now by allowing aid into Gaza or showing Gazans to evacuate properly.

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        Evacuation routes have been implemented… Hamas snipers shot civilians trying to leave through corridors.

        The war ends today if the hostages are released.

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          The IDF is not allowing them to leave the combat zone. Just move to different parts. If they were allowed to evacuate they would be in IDP camps outside Gaza. Also, i’d love to see proof for that claim. Proof like the videos of IDF soldiers shooting unarmed civilians with white flags.

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            You can lob all the accusations you want to distract from the issue. If the entire strip actually did humanitarian work instead of terrorism, it would be in a much better place.

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              If the entire world did humanitarian work then it would be a better place. Why are you singling out the people being forcibly starved by a foreign military?

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    In addition to the increased tax burden and European agriculture policies that they say are threatening their ability to survive, the French farmers also want more concessions from the government to combat rising costs of fuel and animal feed.

    There it is. Welfare for business owners.

    edit: nice, I commented on the wrong post. The confusion is impressive.

    And since nobody mentioned it, they’re to blame too. It means none of them read the article and figured out that the quoted part above is from a different post entirely.

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      Your class analysis is off by twenty miles. A labourer owning a hammer and taking on contracts instead of receiving a wage doesn’t make them bourgeois.

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          They’re all smaller than Carrefour. That’s the kind of place where the billions are landing while farmers, even if they have employees, are happy if they make minimum wage on a three-year average and don’t go bankrupt.

          These are not the fat cats you’re looking for.

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            And are the farm workers protesting (and are they unionized) or are the farm owners protesting?

            They are overleveraged entrepreneurs. I agree that that’s not good, but that’s not an excuse to maintain business as usual.

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              Yes, farm workers are protesting, at least in Germany. It’s in fact the small family farms who aren’t protesting because they literally can’t afford to, larger ones are doing it for them, owner and employees joining ranks because employees are smart enough to see that their boss isn’t earning more than them, even if they wanted to they couldn’t afford it. Which is also why the average tractor you see at those protests is quite impressive family farms can’t afford that kind of hardware (and have no need for it either, and if they have, they borrow one or own one by means of a coop).

              Marxist class analysis does not look at whether you’re an employer or entrepreneur, but your power relationship to capital. And by that measure farmers range from petite bourgeois (if they’re very lucky) down to right-out Lumpen.

              As said: Just because a day labourer owns a hammer doesn’t mean they have anything to say regarding their work, any power to siphon off surplus value, etc.

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                Marxist class analysis does not look at whether you’re an employer or entrepreneur, but your power relationship to capital. And by that measure farmers range from petite bourgeois (if they’re very lucky) down to right-out Lumpen.

                Lumpen? Lol. I’m from Romania, we still have subsistence farmers. That’s “lumpen”.

                You’re talking about small business owners getting corporate welfare for decades, slowly losing to the bigger capitalists, which is the inevitable result of capitalism.

                I agree that the competition issue is a problem, but most of them will support neoliberalism: deregulation, the race to the bottom. That’s a problem because they’re destroying the planet.

                And the animal sector needs to end. The feed crop farmers can switch to food crops.

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                  You’re talking about small business owners getting corporate welfare for decades, slowly losing to the bigger capitalists, which is the inevitable result of capitalism.

                  Talking about Germany: We’re talking about farmers getting squeezed out by supermarkets and other traders and by subsidies geared towards increasing farm size. It has been decades-long state policy to shaft small farmers and benefit large ones.

                  That exact subsidy regime is what they’re protesting.

                  I agree that the competition issue is a problem, but most of them will support neoliberalism: deregulation, the race to the bottom.

                  They’re protesting that EU environmental and animal welfare regulations are costing them too much, yes. But they aren’t fundamentally opposed to those regulations, they simply don’t want to be the ones stuck with the bill. They can’t afford those bills.

                  And the animal sector needs to end. The feed crop farmers can switch to food crops.

                  Bullshit. Intensive animal farming needs to end, meat needs to become more expensive (and also btw butcher’s wages need to be increased), protein imports need to end (i.e. South American soy), but Europe has plenty of agricultural land to produce meat sustainably. There’s plenty of landscapes we can’t preserve without animal agriculture as European bisons aren’t really a thing, any more, neither are wolves which would be necessary to keep the bisons in check should they be re-introduced on a larger scale and we refuse to hunt them.

                  If you don’t want to eat meat that’s your choice and I support it, but don’t expect that bullshit statistics (like counting water raining down on meadows as “water use”) impress anyone not invested in your moral system. Least of all ecologists.

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                Honestly, the fact that you’re trying to portray large land owners with and high-tech capital owners as “those workers” is extremely amusing, and also tragic, as you’re supporting the soil of fascism.

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                  Many of those farmers don’t own land, they lease it. Maybe they own one field because they come from an old farming family, but not the rest of the fields they need to even break even. And a tractor needs to be driven and you need to get up early even if it is GPS-enabled and can micro-dose fertiliser into the exact spots the field needs.

                  Don’t bring your US “one farm from horizon to horizon” POV into European agriculture. That’s pretty much the case pretty much nowhere over here.

                  Lastly, I never said “those workers”. Did you even reply to the right comment.

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    Welcome to the world of modern society. Actually this war’s been going on since I was a kid in the 60s, it’s just gotten more vicious with newer weaponry and more ability to kill children and starve people out of their homeland. What a wonderful species we human beings are.

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      I think it is modern social media and internet that help put this in world stage. Before you have to believe news paper or whoever own the radio. Now you can’t hide the truth.

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        Certainly newspapers, social media and the internet have all helped to “shrink” the world so that anything horrible that happens, we know about it instantly. This can make it seem like the world is becoming a more horrible place to live every day.

        But there are good stories out there too, we just don’t hear about them - after all, they don’t make money for the newscasters or the internet icons…if you can have a huge following just by showing cruelty to others, that’s what people will do.

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      Your nightmares are tame, my worst nightmare is an 87-foot Donald Duck that eats memories.

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        Daily reminder that Donald Duck is based AF. He is canonically a war vet with PTSD, and is at least a socialist if not a full blown communist.

        Donald would be protesting the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people.

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    USA, how long does this need to go on? Until genocide is completed? This is horrific.

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      Like I said earlier, this conflict (among many others) has been going on since at least before I was born in 1959. It never ends. One side or the other always looks for an excuse to use their weapons on “those people on the other side.” If it’s not about a strip of land it’s about religious beliefs or holy jihads or oil rights or something else. It never will end until that final stroke of the nuclear clock.