The group of more than a dozen masked individuals marched wearing red shirts and black pants, waving flags with swastikas on them. It is not clear at this time who the group is or affiliated with, though many of the shirts said “Blood Tribe.”
Be like Captain America
That’s amazing.
Is that a third character in the middle back or is that Captain America’s fist with some orange effect in front of it? I’ve been trying to make out who it’s supposed to be but can’t get anywhere.
It’s The Rocketeer
E: oops, I replied from my inbox without seeing that this was already answered
It might be Rocket Man.
That was close enough to get me to The Rocketeer, which the poster is clearly what’s there. Good guess! I thought I recognized the helmet, but it’s just blurry enough that it looks like it could have been something else.
‘Tennessee Nazis… I HATE Tennessee Nazis.’
The Tennessee chapter is rumored to be predominantly into children which is why they hide their faces
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oh gee a decade into worldwide hard right authoritarian rise and there’s always some yahoo making this same fuckdamn stale joke IN EVERY FUCKDAMN THREAD.
The Blue Brothers was released in 1980, and you think this shit is only a decade old?
Nazis on the internet were barely visible a decade ago
Stormfront has been around for nearly 30 years. HBO made a documentary about them.
There’s an argument that big websites are barely moderated now (aside from child porn that can actually get them in trouble) so they’re more visible in mainstream places, but they were always there and found each other easily.
Stormfront got almost zero traction on the web before they turned on the meme faucet, times change.
What’re you really mad about?
Fucking nazis are taking over western culture, that’s what I’m mad about
Fucking nazis are taking over western culture
Maybe you should ask why “western culture” seems so uniquely fond of nazism.
Oh I know why but it’s not just a Western culture thing, it’s a human thing but recently changes in human culture has made the west especially susceptible to it.
It’s tribalism and fear and lack of investment in the future of our nation, it’s economic stress and social disconnectedness and the very human desire to try and blame all problems on a single monolithic entity, and to follow the largest and loudest person who hates that monolithic entity so much he will take your culture to the victorious promise land of a past that never existed.
That is fascism in one paragraph.
it’s a human thing
Since when is capitalism a “human” thing? You know… capitalism? That thing fascism cannot exist without?
That is fascism in one paragraph.
Yeah… I don’t think you know anything about fascism.
Since when is capitalism a “human” thing?
Humans invented it and have widely adopted it across nearly all cultures?
Do you even think about what you write or are you using an LLM?
Yeah… I don’t think you know anything about fascism.
Well considering how pants-on-head idiotic your first statement was, I’m not sure your personal definition is any more informed.
Free speech absolutism goes way too far.
Nazis marching is an implicit threat of violence and should be treated as such.
When free speech is implicit denouncement of equality it’s not free. It’s cancer and should be treated as such.
Meanwhile Pelosi is accusing anyone who’s critical of U.S. support for Israel as being a Russian plant. Here’s a crazy idea, instead of considering walking back free speech rights in the name of security we try something less drastic? Like I don’t know, maybe electing someone different than Biden in the 2020 primaries? Maybe not blocking worker strikes? Maybe not sending weapons to a country using them to commit war crimes?
Let’s try all those things first before we jump to removing first amendment rights.
What on Earth does this have to do with Pelosi or Israel?
Because according to Pelosi, criticism of U.S. support for Israel is a threat of violence as well.
Why should I give a shit what Pelosi has to say?
Dude is misquoting her anyway.
Right-wing ideologies moving inexorably to it’s logical conlcusion has nothing to do with right-wing ideology moving toward it’s logical conclusion?
Lol, I hope this is a bot account. If not, how does it feel to have two brain cells fighting for third place?
Memorialize this bra so current and future generations have proof of your stupidity.
*brah
breh
The absolutist view of “freedom” in general is the problem, in my opinion. Even more liberal/progressive/whatever people pay lip service to stopping the worst of people but we can’t actually do anything about it because dems use all the same shady bs they complain about repubs using.
Of course somebody will throw a bitch fit about this idea, but the people who think freedom dies when you aren’t allowed to root for genocide and slavery while threatening everyone are the same people who think it should be illegal for women to wear pants so fuck them - you don’t get an opinion on freedom when your idea of freedom is restricting the freedom of others to live their life or threatening the lives of others.
Of course they were wearing masks. If they sincerely thought their beliefs were in the right, they wouldn’t care if people knew who they were. They would proudly show themselves and stand behind those beliefs publicly.
Cowards.
This is a common trope in these topics. And I gotta say, to be perfectly honest, that I hate it.
Leftists/anti-fascists also rely on having face coverings to protect themselves from state repression, and doxxing from nazis, despite being right in their beliefs.
I get where you’re coming from with the sentiment, I do. But rather than taking issue with the masks themselves, I’d recommend taking action (or at least encouraging it) and physically removing their masks so they can be properly doxxed themselves and face the consequences of their violent and hateful beliefs.
Edit: Case in point, here’s a link to a video of the Proud Boys fighting with another, smaller, local neo Nazi group where they start to de-mask each other, towards the end of the video. They know that being exposed to the public is detrimental to their livelihoods, but will still do it to each other whenever there’s a conflict.
Take note of that, and act accordingly.
What would you guess is the percentage of them that screamed that masks are killing people during covid?
Can i choose a number above 100% because i’m willing to entertain that possibility.
If we’re counting members of their group who screamed about masks and then subsequently died from covid, the amount of members that have screamed about masks might be larger than their current membership.
Not defending them, but they can certainly think they are in the right and realize that most of society violently disagrees with them. I’d say they were smart to wear masks to avoid repercussions from their vile, awful, hateful behavior.
I hope that if their names come out that they lose their jobs, get their asses kicked, get disowned by family and friends, and get run out of town. They know that many people feel the same as I do so, even if they really believe the filth they represent, they are probably scared to show their faces.
It is not clear at this time who the group is or affiliated with…
The GOP. They’re affiliated with the GOP.
They should have said “it’s not documented at this time…” because like you said, it’s not exactly unclear.
Shoot them? I mean you have guns over there right, so for fuck sake use them at least once for a good reason.
Exactly. Americans are always going on about how they need guns to defend themselves from tyranny.
You have tyranny marching on your streets. Just go and shoot them with your guns. What’s the issue?
What’s the issue?
You don’t see any issue in allowing vigilante justice where civilians are free to murder people on the streets that have differing opinions from that of their own? Is this the world you want to live in? You think there’s any chance the outcome might be something different than what you hoped for?
Being nazi is “having a differing opinion”?
Opinion, world view, religion, sexuality, race …
This isn’t about just nazies. If one advocates for a world where common people are allowed to take justice into their own hands and just murder people perceived to be bad then that is a horribly violent world where nobody is safe. I would be making the exact same argument on a right wing forum where someone suggest we should just shoot the communists. That’s a horribly ignorant thing to say.
It literally is just about literal nazis. Yes, they should shoot Nazis until Nazis go away again.
They’re Nazis you prat.
Pacifism didn’t win WW2, and it won’t win now. This “enlightened centrist” take is why this is happening again. Libs, socDems, demSocs, anarchists, Marxists and communists need to realize that fascism is here. It’s not going away with “talks.”
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Don’t think I don’t recognize what you’re saying. Deal with your tankie problem after the fascism, not before. Hold the hate for later. The fascists will use our disagreements against us. Don’t let them. We need all hands on deck. If the United States and Britain can work together with tankies to defeat fascism, you can too.
People here are literally advocating murdering others for thought crimes. They only need to hold a set of certain beliefs and that is a good enough justification to murder them. No, actually it’s even worse; people only need to think you hold a set of beliefs and that’s enough. One doesn’t need a PhD. to figure out how a society acting in that way will go sideways in a heartbeat.
Ask Heather Heyer if she thinks Nazism is just a thought crime?
Read about the Paradox of Tolerance before the leopards eat your face.
Not thought crimes. Marching in the streets with literal swastikas on flags. Their “set of certain beliefs” killed 17 million people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims) as part of their beliefs: and that’s without counting the deaths they caused by starting a war.
It’s not some clever gotcha to pretend this is a grey area. It’s not folks saying to go after GOP members, people in militias that are dogwhistling, or even the Proud Boys. It’s not folks that loudmouths on twitter are claiming are nazis. The issue here is literal fucking nazis. I actually have a PhD, and I consider it wise to chase literal goddamn nazis out of town with violence. Tolerating the most extreme intolerance is not a path toward a good future.
perceived to be bad
Nazis, dude. “Perceived,” my ass.
I’m not talking about just nazies.
Also, vigilante justice like this means there is no court process and investigation about wether said person actually is guilty of the crime they’re accused of. Innocent people will fall victim to it aswell. I’m sure there are more that one people in this thread thinking I’m a literal nazi aswell but I’m not and murdering me would mean murdering a person for “crime” they did not commit.
I’m not talking about just nazies.
Cool. What other groups are you talking about?
Yes, you fucking are.
Making death threats is already illegal in the US, i don’t see how waving nazi flags doesn’t fall under that.
You’re not allowed to murder people on the streets for making death threats either.
Yes, unless you share that same opinion, then it’s just the same. Welcome to the world, some people suck and you might not agree with all of them. That doesn’t give you the power to be supreme leader over all of nature.
They. Are. Nazis.
It is when more than half the cops and 1/3 of the politicians share the same rancid and destructive ideal.
And we are forced to pretend they are normal people and let them speak at our schools and walk our streets.
I doubt nazis have any opinions that differ from his.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Either you clean them out now, or they take over.
History is VERY clear on this point.
We failed to clean them out 100 years ago. They’ve all but completely taken over at this point. November may be the last vote that counts for anything we get. And people are far too calm about it.
They are Nazis. Vigilante justice is the reason for the 2nd amendment.
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Maybe you misunderstood this is about Nazis.
Everyone I don’t agree with is a Nazi. Come up with a better reason for your argument.
They have an actual Nazi flag
They are literal Nazis you prat.
Is this the world you want to live in
if it’s only Nazis I’m completely fine with it. Shot those fucks.
- Those marching nazis are scum, but they are allowed to do it
- Tyranny: "cruel and oppressive government or rule. A group you don’t like marching is not tyranny
Yeah, I don’t know if free speech covers this.
We (Allies) never made peace with the Nazis. We crushed their military and hanged any officials that didn’t eat cyanide, but there was no treaty or surrender. We didn’t even let the Germans govern themselves until we could figure out who wasn’t a Nazi.
I would argue that anyone who flies that flag is effectively pledging allegiance to an enemy. And like… The enemy. The guys who industrialized genocide and literally tried to take over the world.
So idk about shooting them if they’re just jerking each other off in the street. But I would like to channel Aldo Raine and carve swastikas into their foreheads.
Dude come on. Plenty of officials in West Germany after the war were Nazis. We took Nazis and used them in NASA. The US loves Nazis if they serve the ruling class or are the alternative to socialism.
Good luck with that more than half our nations cops are on the fascist’s side.
half our nations cops
Half? Police is literally a fascist institution - ie, funded and manipulated into existence by capitalists to protect their power and privilege from the people they exploited to get said power and privilege in the first place.
It’s not half - it’s all of them by default.
My estimate is that only about half would actually march under the banner if there was no social consequences. I could be wrong but I’ve known a few hundred cops.
They are marching “under the banner” right now - every time they put on that uniform, in fact. Nobody forced them to be hencherproletariat - traitors and opressors to their own class - did they?
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We (Allies) never made peace with the Nazis.
The west made peace with nazis when they saved nazism by filling Germany’s post-war intelligence services with them. That, and the fact that the ruling elites in the west never gave up it’s admiration of them in the first place.
And something tells me these nazis ain’t bright enough to get paperclipped.
We tried calling in the police but strangely they were all busy with some other event.
they were all busy with some other event.
Laundering their white hoods, of course.
👀
The cops get really pissy about that for some reason. Guns for me (and my Nazi buddies) but not for thee, i guess.
Nazi scum.
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Who governs this body of K.O.S. targets? Is it a democratically elected position? What happens if the wrong person is elected to this position and suddenly Muslims, queer, or communists are placed on this list?
Yep, Authoritarians die by the rules they make against others.
Who governs this body of K.O.S. targets?
looks at username
After Tuvix, you’re in no position to lecture.
Tuvix is different. He - it - was far too ugly for my crew. Just look at it. I’d fuck a lizard before Tuvix
You know B’Ellana reprogrammed the replicators to give you decaf, right? Only for your voiceprint, too.
This is why we need Judge Dredd. The Karl Urban version, not Stallone. I don’t wanna deal with Rob Schneider playing a role in this KOS scenario.
Cool. I think you’re a Nazi. Boom, you’re dead.
See any problem with that?
lol they aren’t enemies, half our cops and 1/3 of our politicians share the same rancid ideals.
If anything, how jan6 is being handled as compared to the Floyd protests should make that abundantly clear.
I fucking hate Tennessee Nazis.
yeah. They taste much worse than even Texas Nazis.
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i heard
People have to step up and denounce this stuff publically, openly and loudly enough everywhere. And I don’t mean causing violence, attacking or assaulting anyone in any way. I mean more people should step up and just state how they do not accept this and pressure their government representatives to act and do something and say something to discourage individuals like this.
If people are silent, and don’t know about it then they are just the ignorant masses.
If they are silent but know that it is happening but still say nothing … then they are complicit, because their silence is an acceptance of movements like this.
American is slowly diving into a rabbit hole that the world already visited almost a century ago.
It’s easy to deal with now and it’s easy to stand up and tell everyone you don’t accept this.
The longer everyone stays silent and passive, the more their chances of saying anything evaporates.
When it goes on for too long and too far … it takes far more energy and activism to stop this ugly movement.
The last time it went too far … it took a world war and millions of dead everywhere in order to stop it … and even then, it wasn’t stopped, it was just merely controlled and brought down to a manageable level because it never really disappeared.
Nope, sorry.
Unless you somehow think we should have stormed the beaches at Normandy with care bare plushies and hallmark chocolate assortments.
Almost zero nazis can be deradicalized by thoughts and prayers, the only solution is to beat them bloody till they’re afraid to show their faces.
Fighting, war and death is a last resort when all hope and possibility is lost.
We’re not there yet so it’s still possible to convince others not to follow these movements and make those that do follow so uncomfortable and unwelcome that they can stay in the shadows where they belong.
It’s mostly our political leaders right now. If we allow leaders that allow this behaviour or leaders that even are part of this then we people have the power to either put them in power or remove them from power through elections.
And it’s not just political leaders either … it’s those with wealth and power that fund and support these movements as well as corporations that would not mind seeing fascist and anti democratic governments in place. The more we call out the instigators and supporters, the more uncomfortable they will be.
Because it also works the other way, the more people speak out, the more they see that there are many more people who share the view of anti Nazism and anti fascism. If we all just sit silently, we never know how many supporters are around us and it makes us feel like a minority.
So speak out in public and speak up with your political leaders.
Sure sure, I don’t want anyone anywhere to die of violence.
But there are people out there who do, and some of them are nazis, and there is a nonzero statistical chance that me or my loved ones will be caught in some form of mass shooting or domestic terrorist act.
So it is good to prepare, and point out the danger.
And speaking to our politicians does nothing, they know the threat of white nationalism more than any of us.
The only thing that changes the tragic trajectory of civil guerilla war we are chugging towards is for the right to publicly and viciously throw off the extremists that have taken over their party.
We cannot do that, no amount of talking to our politicians will give them the 2/3rds majority needed to impeach and convict all the fucknuggets complicit in jan6.
And I have literally no words to say to any repugnicunt to try and convince them to do it.
Either they do it on their own, or at some point we will get an authoritarian that isn’t as stupid as drumpfh.
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I’m personally a fan of this one- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k
“Why a tuba?”
“A calliope’s too heavy.”
Sprinkle in a little bit of “Loser” by Beck.
Well said.
Principiis obsta et respice finem — ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’
Principiis obsta et respice finem — ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’
Thank you for sending me down this path of little research
They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Mayer (written in 1955)
As Mayer’s Nazi friend noted, “I do not see, even now [how we could have stopped it]. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice - ‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men?”
Some notes taken from this blog - https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2005/11/they-thought-they-were-free
Milton Mayer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Mayer
They Thought They Were Free - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
August Heckscher, the chief writer of editorials of the New York Herald Tribune, wrote that the book “suggests how easy it is for human beings in any society to fall prey to a dynamic political movement, provided their lives are sufficiently insecure, frustrated or empty.”[1] He stated that the book is simultaneously a discussion on ethics, on “how political tyranny is established”, and on issues in Germany and the “German mentality”.
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Thanks for sharing this little tidbit … Now I have to go a read the book for myself
I really should have mentioned that book is where I got that from, glad you were able to find it and for spreading awareness of it with your update.
Overall I enjoyed the book but it wasn’t what I was expecting going in based on that large block (mostly included on that blog link) about the slow boiling of fascism. Super depressing subject to be reading about not out of historical curiosity but increasing modern relevance :(
The Brits didn’t defeat Mosley and his fascism with denouncements.
In October 1937 in Liverpool, he was knocked unconscious by two stones thrown by crowd members after he delivered a fascist salute to 8,000 people from the top of a van in Walton.
The idiots in the news story are a small group of masked thugs that don’t even want to be identified. So they would be far easier to denounce with words and counter protest.
Mosley was an open political leader that plastered his name everywhere and led mass public rallies that had a sizeable following. He also had a lot of political support and funding by wealthy backers who believed in this movement. Even the royal family had deep and sympathetic connections to fascist and far right ideology. At the point in history at the height of his movement … there was not much else to do than to throw a stone at his face to stop him from going further.
Why not denounce them while throwing stones?
Then you would be no better than them
100 people denouncing 10 people is far more convincing than 1 person using violence against 10 opponents because those ten people now have the excuse to use more violence to promote their movement.
Start with education, awareness, promotion, public support and campaigning against these movements … violence only comes when there are no more options left and there is no longer anything else to lose.
Nice pontificating. I don’t disagree. I’m glad you still have that luxury. I’ll find a nice brick and save it for you if the shit hits the fan.
Edit: See ya in 7 months.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, sickness and death. It should be outlawed entirely.
We could at least take a page from modern Germany’s laws and prohibit public expression of right wing ideologies. They know first-hand what happens when you don’t deal with an infestation early.
We could at least take a page from modern Germany’s laws and prohibit public expression of right wing ideologies.
The entire German political establishment is right-wing (just like every other formal political establishment on the planet) - so obviously those laws don’t mean squat.
How about we take a page and a box of .45 from grandpa and his lessons about how to deal with Nazis. You don’t ask, or deal, or outlaw it.
The 1911 should be cleaned and oiled regularly.
Hear, hear!
How fascist of you
Incorrect. Working toward the mitigation of oppressive ideologies (like conservatism) is not fascism. It is the exact opposite.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
Hateful AND fascist. Double whammy!
You continue to prove me right. Good job, Sparky! Lol
This is an article on a local Tennessee FOX News page. The comments on the article have some disgusting whataboutism brain rot being posted trying to distract from the fact that THERE ARE LITERAL NAZI FLAGS BEING MARCHED UNIRONICLY IN PUBLIC. Tennessee has some filth within its borders…
These people are in every state.
Yeah but try this in Queens.
yeah, but i don’t know of any states that don’t.
these guys definitely should’ve caught a lot more hate than they did though. if some horrible accident befell those people, it’d have been a net positive for everyone else.
personally i’ve always hated Illinois Nazis, and i think i hate Nashville Nazis more.
Illinois has very few. Come try this in Chicago.
People also unironically go to Kid Rock’s bar in Nashville.
The infuriating part is when everyone on the Right goes on Twitter and pretends they are “feds” pretending to be Right Wing for…reasons? “Feds” was trending on Twitter as this happened, and the last time there was a fascist March, the one with the khakis.
Like I’m glad they are disowning these guys but doing it by calling them Feds is actually not saying it would be bad if it was real, seems like only a matter of time before one of these groups gets into a Waco-style shootout with police and they become martyrs for some reason.
The cops and FBI are riddled with right wing nutjobs. There’s not been a Democrat to hold the position of FBI director, afaik.
Like how “antifa” did Jan 6? It’s just every person who got caught and put on trial was the MAGA exception they “tricked” into the insurrection.
But simultaneously if they DID get arrested or something else happened Republicans would IMMEDIATELY be demanding their release.
Just like how J6 was all Democrat agitators but if Trump wins he’ll be pardoning them all Day one.
Trump ain’t gonna pardon shit. Do you know how much effort signing something takes, especially if it’s helping out poor people? He’ll leave em to rot except maybe one high profile case to make a show of things.
The infuriating part is when everyone on the Right goes on Twitter and pretends they are “feds” pretending to be Right Wing for…reasons?
The Party of Personal Responsibility seems to be full of people who believe that any time someone agrees with them in public, it’s part of a nefarious government plot to make them look bad.
I miss when Nazis weren’t such cowards they covered their faces. How else are we supposed to ostracize them from society.
It shouldn’t be that hard.
It shouldn’t be that fucking hard to be at least the slightest bit of a decent human.
It’s not hard at all to be a decent person, it is the default state for most of humanity. Shitstains like those nazis actively spend more energy and resources being dicks on purpose.
Most of them ‘for the lulz’.
The first time MAGA wore masks of their own volition.
