Florida legislators have been quietly working to ban and criminalize the production and sale of cell-cultivated meat across the state, via the introduction of two bills.
So far Florida seems to be a good shooter when it comes to its own foot. Make Diznee illegal, abortion illegal, abortion pill, tofu meat. What’s next? Smoothies?
Let’s make an allegory to porn and prostitution that George Carlin made some years back… Selling is legal, fucking is legal, do why can’t selling fucking also be legal?
Banana is legal, orange is legal, so why can’t a smoothie be legal? The answer is “Florida!”
I sad tofu meat because that’s the kind of fake meat I like. There’s also the kind where they make sort of stringy material and glued together and then the version where they get a plant or other scaffolding material and fill it with animal clone cells, that’s the kind you’re talking about here. Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.
No, I’m talking about lab-grown meat. Not plant based or any other meat substitute but an actual meat that’s just grown without antibiotics, pain and suffering.
Cloned cells is lab meat. The cells are tossed into shape by settling onto a natural scaffolding… natural as in 3D printed shapes or preexisting shapes like bleached cabbage. I do enjoy some lab grown meat but I do think that having a bowl of beans is way safer.
The stringy material is probably Seitan (or vital wheat gluten). It’s purely plant based and made from protein rich flour. It has the highest content of protein in plantbased meat replacements (close and above than real meat) but is usually low in the amino acid lysine, opposed to soy-based replacement which contain all 9 essential amino acids in sufficient amounts.
That’s good to know. I usually just have beans but if I want to eat something that feels like meat I use that. Mushrooms are good too in the feels like meat but different department.
Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.
Can you expand on what’s bad for you about a chicken in a sandwich? I get it that toubare vegetarian or vegan, I don’t need you to explain the ethical reasons, you seem to imply that from a dietary point of view chicken in a sandwich is not healthy?
Not the person you’re asking, but I’m guessing it’s about the belief that eating red meat especially is unhealthy and some people then apply that to all meats.
I believe this stems from the studies that show meat eaters (e.g. average person) is generally unhealthier that someone following a strict vegetarian/vegan diet. This ofcourse doesn’t take into account the fact that the average person eats lots of other stuff too that the health consciouss person doesn’t and there’s usually vast differences in general lifestyle too such as amount of exercise, sleep, smoking etc.
If you ask me what’s bad about a chicken sandwich I’d say the sandwich itself.
Red meat from cows or other such murdered animals can lead you to have gout problems and other such autoimmune issues.
That said, chicken the lesser evil. I used to eat chicken every day. However I learned how chicken are grown. They are basically bags of fat packed with antibiotics. If you love getting sick and fat, that’s the way to go. Specially the Costco roasted…yeah get some of that extra juicy crispiness.
When they grow the baby chicken, they are sorted in big machines by people. The males are tossed into the grinding part of the machine. The females are gently tossed into cartons for the egg laying and murder meat industry. So most male chicken see life for a few days before being grounded into McDonald’s chicken flavored pink slime stuff. Or probably they are mixed in with corn and fed back into the chicken… mother lays egg, has Chick 🐣🐥 and then is forced to eat it so you can get eggs. But I bet some is fed to other animals. I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.
Lord I don’t know where to start, i thought you had some insights on chicken meat that ib was not aware of but… you just sound confused and most of this is just a mess, let’s address one thing at least
I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.
I know you want to make it sound edgy like omg chickens being fed animals but yeah they are omnivore creatures, they do eat other animals starting by bugs and snails, big part of their natural diet, all the way to to actual meat leftover.
I guess we can call their preys, ‘assassinated bugs’?
Not sure is sarcastic or not but an interesting point. I eat meat and see some future in alternative meats, if produced, marketed and labelled clearly could benefit everyone.
That said I can’t stop but thinking that vegans should stop this nonsense of using murdered and other similar bullshit when talking, it removes any credibility they might have. Just saw in another post someone referring to milk as something like baby cow formula, and I facepalmed.
But I want to ask another question: why does this kind of language evoke such a reaction in you? An animal is a living, intelligent being, with their own volition and life that they want to live. We humans are murdering them (among many other awful things). Why is it so controversial for us to simply call these things what they are?
You should watch cowspiracy and seaspiracy. I’m not really a gullible person that believes everything she hears. But take a look at those videos. The videos are clearly not straight documentary but try and pick up the important information.
I haven’t said I’m vegan yet I’m being treated like one. Try pretending to be vegan. It’s an uphill battle to not eat meat. Specially in the US. I challenge you to month of not eating meat. After that we can discuss one vs the other option in a non partisan way. I haven’t had meat in 3 years and I’m better than before. Going vegan was a good decision but not what improved my health. Avoiding sugars did. If you want to meet in the middle try avoiding sugars. Once you fail the first time, try to figure out why anyone would put sugar in the thing you ate that made you fail.
I am not sure why you say I’m treating you like a vegan, or gullible. All I saw in your previous post was ignorance, like GASP chickens eating meat. And cows getting murdered.
If I come to the US I’ll certainly consider a month off meat.
However why you are giving me all this dietary advice? I just asked why you think chicken in a sandwich is unhealthy and now you are trying to get me not to eat meat NOR sugar!
BTW I don’t eat sugar at all and cowspiracy is trash
Apart from that we got lovely H5N1 which has an easy game on poultry farms on animals with weakened immune systems and is bound to break out or mutate if not the whole flock is culled. It’s killed people and some virus could emerge when human and avian flu viruses join forces. It’s ravaging in non-avian wildlife and even a polar-bear currently. All this screams next novel pandemic.
And stuff like this that sure will effect human health in some way. Those behaviours are deliberate. It’s a ruthless industry.
Not a Florida supporter here, but the article is not about tofu meat:
Over the last several months, Florida legislators have been quietly working to ban — and criminalize — the production and sale of cell-cultivated meat across the state
Tofu is made essentially the same way cheese curds are made, but using beans instead of dairy. It produces the iconic brick of compressed bean protein (and sometimes calcium depending on what catalyst is used). It’s existed for something like 2000 years, and Ben Franklin may have played a role in bringing it to the US.
TVP is very different. It involves using solvents like hexane to remove most everything from the bean except the protein, and generally results in small amorphous chunks of material, or even tiny bits that are used as an alternative to ground up muscle tissues.
So far Florida seems to be a good shooter when it comes to its own foot. Make Diznee illegal, abortion illegal, abortion pill, tofu meat. What’s next? Smoothies?
Let’s make an allegory to porn and prostitution that George Carlin made some years back… Selling is legal, fucking is legal, do why can’t selling fucking also be legal?
Banana is legal, orange is legal, so why can’t a smoothie be legal? The answer is “Florida!”
This is about lab-grown meat.
One thing we probably should ban is headlines because then people would actually have to read the article.
Banning lab grown meat is JUST as stupid
I sad tofu meat because that’s the kind of fake meat I like. There’s also the kind where they make sort of stringy material and glued together and then the version where they get a plant or other scaffolding material and fill it with animal clone cells, that’s the kind you’re talking about here. Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.
No, I’m talking about lab-grown meat. Not plant based or any other meat substitute but an actual meat that’s just grown without antibiotics, pain and suffering.
Cloned cells is lab meat. The cells are tossed into shape by settling onto a natural scaffolding… natural as in 3D printed shapes or preexisting shapes like bleached cabbage. I do enjoy some lab grown meat but I do think that having a bowl of beans is way safer.
You enjoy lab grown meat? Is it available for the general public to buy?
California and DC have it, plenty of other places are tying to bring it to market.
The stringy material is probably Seitan (or vital wheat gluten). It’s purely plant based and made from protein rich flour. It has the highest content of protein in plantbased meat replacements (close and above than real meat) but is usually low in the amino acid lysine, opposed to soy-based replacement which contain all 9 essential amino acids in sufficient amounts.
More recently, mycelium based proteins edged seitan out, and they have a better texture, in my opinion.
Plus it doesn’t sit in your stomach like a bag of rocks!
That’s good to know. I usually just have beans but if I want to eat something that feels like meat I use that. Mushrooms are good too in the feels like meat but different department.
Can you expand on what’s bad for you about a chicken in a sandwich? I get it that toubare vegetarian or vegan, I don’t need you to explain the ethical reasons, you seem to imply that from a dietary point of view chicken in a sandwich is not healthy?
Not the person you’re asking, but I’m guessing it’s about the belief that eating red meat especially is unhealthy and some people then apply that to all meats.
I believe this stems from the studies that show meat eaters (e.g. average person) is generally unhealthier that someone following a strict vegetarian/vegan diet. This ofcourse doesn’t take into account the fact that the average person eats lots of other stuff too that the health consciouss person doesn’t and there’s usually vast differences in general lifestyle too such as amount of exercise, sleep, smoking etc.
If you ask me what’s bad about a chicken sandwich I’d say the sandwich itself.
Yeah I thought about the red meat belief, but we are talking chicken here, white meat. Hence why I asked.
Red meat from cows or other such murdered animals can lead you to have gout problems and other such autoimmune issues.
That said, chicken the lesser evil. I used to eat chicken every day. However I learned how chicken are grown. They are basically bags of fat packed with antibiotics. If you love getting sick and fat, that’s the way to go. Specially the Costco roasted…yeah get some of that extra juicy crispiness.
When they grow the baby chicken, they are sorted in big machines by people. The males are tossed into the grinding part of the machine. The females are gently tossed into cartons for the egg laying and murder meat industry. So most male chicken see life for a few days before being grounded into McDonald’s chicken flavored pink slime stuff. Or probably they are mixed in with corn and fed back into the chicken… mother lays egg, has Chick 🐣🐥 and then is forced to eat it so you can get eggs. But I bet some is fed to other animals. I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.
Lord I don’t know where to start, i thought you had some insights on chicken meat that ib was not aware of but… you just sound confused and most of this is just a mess, let’s address one thing at least
I know you want to make it sound edgy like omg chickens being fed animals but yeah they are omnivore creatures, they do eat other animals starting by bugs and snails, big part of their natural diet, all the way to to actual meat leftover.
I guess we can call their preys, ‘assassinated bugs’?
Look, Liquid Death sold a lot of water with violent branding. Vegans might just be inventing the future branding of meat.
“Would you like your burger murdered (traditional) or undead (lab-grown)?”
Not sure is sarcastic or not but an interesting point. I eat meat and see some future in alternative meats, if produced, marketed and labelled clearly could benefit everyone.
That said I can’t stop but thinking that vegans should stop this nonsense of using murdered and other similar bullshit when talking, it removes any credibility they might have. Just saw in another post someone referring to milk as something like baby cow formula, and I facepalmed.
Yeah, that was me. If you’d like to see my thoughts on why these differences in language matter, here’s my last comment on that thread:
https://lemmy.world/comment/8591091
But I want to ask another question: why does this kind of language evoke such a reaction in you? An animal is a living, intelligent being, with their own volition and life that they want to live. We humans are murdering them (among many other awful things). Why is it so controversial for us to simply call these things what they are?
You should watch cowspiracy and seaspiracy. I’m not really a gullible person that believes everything she hears. But take a look at those videos. The videos are clearly not straight documentary but try and pick up the important information.
I haven’t said I’m vegan yet I’m being treated like one. Try pretending to be vegan. It’s an uphill battle to not eat meat. Specially in the US. I challenge you to month of not eating meat. After that we can discuss one vs the other option in a non partisan way. I haven’t had meat in 3 years and I’m better than before. Going vegan was a good decision but not what improved my health. Avoiding sugars did. If you want to meet in the middle try avoiding sugars. Once you fail the first time, try to figure out why anyone would put sugar in the thing you ate that made you fail.
I am not sure why you say I’m treating you like a vegan, or gullible. All I saw in your previous post was ignorance, like GASP chickens eating meat. And cows getting murdered.
If I come to the US I’ll certainly consider a month off meat.
However why you are giving me all this dietary advice? I just asked why you think chicken in a sandwich is unhealthy and now you are trying to get me not to eat meat NOR sugar!
BTW I don’t eat sugar at all and cowspiracy is trash
[X] Doubt.
I’ll pass.
https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/chicken
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9495152/
https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/13/6/845
My aunt had helicobacter for years. Not a joke.
Apart from that we got lovely H5N1 which has an easy game on poultry farms on animals with weakened immune systems and is bound to break out or mutate if not the whole flock is culled. It’s killed people and some virus could emerge when human and avian flu viruses join forces. It’s ravaging in non-avian wildlife and even a polar-bear currently. All this screams next novel pandemic.
And stuff like this that sure will effect human health in some way. Those behaviours are deliberate. It’s a ruthless industry.
Not a Florida supporter here, but the article is not about tofu meat:
Even more stupid then. And what exactly is tofu meat?
TSP, possibly. Textured soy protein. It’s a passable substitute for some meats in some situations.
Tofu is made essentially the same way cheese curds are made, but using beans instead of dairy. It produces the iconic brick of compressed bean protein (and sometimes calcium depending on what catalyst is used). It’s existed for something like 2000 years, and Ben Franklin may have played a role in bringing it to the US.
TVP is very different. It involves using solvents like hexane to remove most everything from the bean except the protein, and generally results in small amorphous chunks of material, or even tiny bits that are used as an alternative to ground up muscle tissues.
Personally I like vital wheat gluten, also like tofu. I’ve not had TVP I don’t think.