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        Not necessarily take, but a demilitarized zone might make sense, and that has to be put somewhere.

        Like prevent troops amassing in “peaceful exercise” so they cannot surprise invade again.

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        Zelensky already said that Ukraine is willing to exchange Belgorod for NATO membership.

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          Sure, but implying Ukraine would want to attack its neighbouring country, to take land for any reasons seems strange. That’s more like what Russia would do.

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        Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has formally ruled out talks with Russia after it illegally declared four Ukrainian regions to be part of Russia.

        Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine. The decree also approves the decision of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council to strengthen Ukrainian defenses and seek more weapons from the country’s Western allies in response to Moscow’s move.

        Ah so “has become impossible” is now “has been made illegal”. Tankie text comprehension, I presume.

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        Nobody actually has any argument against this except ad hominems, which is usually fairly telling.

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          I guess if we ignore the two comments pointing out how the article doesn’t state what he claims Zelensky said, then yeah nobody has any arguments.

          Or were you expecting arguments against a fictional statement? Because I can come back with some just as fictional counter-arguments if that’s what you were looking for.

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            They cannot see those comments same as vampires can’t see themselves in a mirror.

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              Yeah, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml ban people for posting dissenting comments. So their users can believe no dissenting opinions exist.

              It’s a bid sad they cannot spot that the article, which is very short and written for children, does not say what they claim it says, but well.

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        time to remind people that zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL

        Can you quote the part of the article which made you think so? I don’t see the article saying what you claim it says.

        A reminder from the KidsPost team: Our stories are geared to 7- to 13-year-olds.
        

        It’s alright if you are younger than that. Otherwise, I think all you achieved is reminding people how dishonest and untrustworthy lemmygrad users can be. You would have helped your cause more had you not made that comment.

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            Exactly.

            There really is nothing to negotiate anyway.

            Ukraine does not want to give up territory.

            Giving Russia anything for it is tatamount to paying a ransom. It would only encourage Russia to invade again in a decade or less.

            Russia turning around and giving up the territory without gaining anything is just accepting complete defeat. They won’t do that.

            So it’s a battle of attrition, both morale and economic.

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        Russia’s upper house of parliament on Tuesday voted to support the treaties that make the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine part of Russia.”

        Неужели так трудно понять чтение, товарищ?

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      Come on, not even zelensky had any hope they would accept this peace plan. They’re basically asking Russia to stop the war and give back all the territory they occupied. The Ukrainian counter offensive stopped at a brick wall, the Russians have no reason at all to do this.

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        Pretty crumbly and porous brick wall, there. And they apparently neglected to build it around Sevastopol.

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        War is normally a slow process. In historical terms Ukraine is making good progress… it is mostly fiction where wars are one in a couple days.

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          Western people are funny to say the least, i dont know why, if it has something to do if the fact u guys always lived in such a privileged position that u can live in a fantasy world.

          Try to be pragmatic. I never said it had to be quick, I never said this is unwinnable right now, I just said that makes no sense for the Russians to accept this terms right now, and Ukrainians are not stupid, they know this. Or were u expecting putin to wake up this morning feeling bad for what he have done and just move his troops out of Ukraine?

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            There have been a lot of exceptions. However the majority of wars are longer as if you don’t think you can win surrender terms are generally better than death.

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            Sure, if you fight in the middle of the desert with little cover and no mud, progress is fast once you cut through the defensive lines. Vs fighting in mud and forests.

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        The counteroffensive is moving forward slowly because the Russians put a ton of mines and trenches in the way. Plus they committed their best troops to stopping it. Still Ukraine is slowly moving forward in the south.

        I wouldn’t want to be there right now on either side. But basically the Ukrainians are winning because their artillery is better. Once Ukraine moves their artillery within range of the highway along the Sea of Azov, the troops protecting Crimea will have their supplies threatened. This is the general plan and they’re getting closer.

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          I never said this in unwinnable, but don’t make any sense to propose a peace plan to Russia right now demanding them to return all the land they occupied. Ukrainians are not dumb, they know this, this peace “proposal” is just a piece of propaganda to western media to say they are trying to start peace talks with Russia or some shit. The Russian ministry answered this out of anger but he’s not wrong, the Ukraine is only getting their territory back if they can put a huge pressure on Russians, possibly only if they can manage to make Russia fear to be attacked on their own territory. And even if this happens we have to trust Russians won’t nuke Ukraine to protect their own territory.

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        They didn’t have any hope because Putin is a warmonger. Any “peace plan” that Russia would find acceptable would just delay the inevitable and give Russia time to build back up, they’ve already shown their cards. Russia needs to give up on its territorial aspirations and give back what it’s stolen. Russia could’ve held onto Crimea even had it just not invaded Ukraine, the rest of the world had basically turned a blind eye to it (it wasn’t right, but that was the reality), instead they get to watch their military turn to dust, just like Putin will be doing within a decade.

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          I’m not judging who is or who isn’t a warmonger or whatever, let’s just be pragmatic, it makes no sense at all for Russia to accept those terms. Were u expecting the Russian Govt. to suddenly wake up one morning feeling bad for what they’ve done and just move the troops out of Ukraine, including Crimea who’s under Russian control for over a decade now, and say “sorry, my bad”? This 10 point plan they “proposed” was only made so western media can say they’re trying to stop the war, which they aren’t. And again, I’m not saying they have to stop the war, I’m just analyzing things objectively.

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            I’m saying Putin can stop this war right now by going home. This is all Putins’ fault supported by oligarchs. It makes complete sense for putin to accept these terms, because he will eventually be forced to.

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              There are no oligarchs in Russia.

              Words have meanings. An oligarch is someone who has political power through wealth.

              Russia is an autocracy, and Putin allows people to be rich, so long as they don’t try to translate that into political power.

              America has oligarchs, Russia just has rich people that contribute to an autocracy.

              … I’m honestly not sure which is more evil as a political system.

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              What makes you believe we will eventually be forced? Do you still think our sanctions will make Russia collapse?

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            I’m not saying that all, but facts on the ground were that, 2014–2022, Russia had control of Crimea and nobody was going to do anything about that for fear of getting into conflict with Russia. That Crimea even “passed” into Russian hands without much of a fight from the international community is probably what emboldened Putin to go after the rest of Ukraine. What I’m saying is that had he stuck to just that sort of low-level “piecemeal” approach to carving out sections of Ukraine, like what was do e with Crimea, he wouldn’t have gotten nearly the amount of international backlash that he got.

            Is Crimea part of Ukraine? Yes, but when it comes to international borders, facts on the ground are what matter in the long-run. Had Putin bided his time, eventually it would’ve just been accepted as fact. Nobody else would’ve ever cared enough to start a war over it. With Putin going for all-out-war though, he’s revealed Russia’s military weakness and facts on the ground have become mutable again, giving us the chance that we’ll hopefully see Crimea come back into Ukraine.

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        The Ukrainian counter offensive stopped at a brick wall

        What a bunch of Putin propagandistic nonsense.

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        holy shit stop invading and leave? OUTRAGEOUS! the nerve of zelensky to ask for what is Ukraine’s! I think you should go join the trenches to show how mad you are!

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          No, see when he says “a fairer distribution of global benefits” that needs to start with distributing ukrainian benefits to russian oligarchs obviously!

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          Zelensky knowing that there wasn’t a hope in hell of Russians accepting this is false? You know it, I know it, we all know it. It’s just politics. Of course Zelensky has to offer something, even if he knows they won’t bite.

          The Russians have to claw something out of this debacle to sue for peace. And I hope the Ukrainians give them nothing, and take back the Crimea while they’re at it.

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          Why do you want to force the people of Crimea and the Donbas to be subjected to a government that they despise? Why don’t those people have any right to self determination?

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                you mean like the Uyghurs? genocide is really fucked, what are you doing about the Uyghurs?

                edit: no-one is forcing russian simps in Crimea to move anywhere you absolute nonce, they can live free under ukraine or go suck balls in russia if thats what they want

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          Source

          They’re making slow progress constantly but the front lines are barely moving. There’s obviously a chance for a big break through as the first defences are always the heaviest and it should get easier after that, but there’s still a long way to go, and they’re both taking heavy casualties every single day.

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            The only actual progress being made is in destroying the equipment NATO managed to cobble together and losing trained manpower. Even if a miracle happened and Ukraine managed to make some breakthrough, what exactly is it going to be consolidated with given that they spent past three and a half months beating their head against a wall. They’ve already thrown in all the reserve brigades that were originally meant to come in and consolidate the gains now.

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            There’s obviously a chance for a big break through as the first defences are always the heaviest and it should get easier after that

            That’s the opposite of Russia’s defensive doctrine, which would only be exacerbated further by the ability to deploy reserves where necessary. It could be a different story if Ukraine wasn’t having to commit their exploitation forces just to try to reach the first lines of defense; even if they break through tomorrow they won’t really have the manpower to do anything with it.

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        I mean, if Putin doesn’t want to die, he can always gobtje fuck home. I mean he can still suck a bag of dicks and then choke on them.

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        They’re basically asking Russia to stop the war and give back all the territory they occupied.

        Yes.

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      I’m not saying it’s not going to happen but Russia would have to attack NATO first.

      No one wants to attack a nuclear power if they don’t have to.

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        NATO directly fighting Russian troops in Ukraine would be a big deal and quite unlikely already if it somehow got to that.

        Russians need to be kicked out of Ukraine but they need to kick out Putin out of Russia themselves.

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            It’s anti-Democratic to interfere in the politics of other countries.

            And yes, the US has done it a lot, and tries to keep it hushed up because it’s extremely wrong and unpopular behavior.

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            First, why would NATO risk escalation and bother losing troops when they can get Ukraine to do all the actual fighting?

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        But if they blow up every house, there’ll plenty of housing to be built later on by EU companies. That’s basically the same thing, right? That’s what the citizens want, right?

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      Caps on Russian oil price, restoration of original Ukraine borders, prosecution of Russian “war criminals”

      It’s what you’d expect from a country that’s completely winning the war and not stuck in a stalemate while losing support

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      Honestly It’s funny when you mention to libs that Ukraine itself has made law which forbids itself from negotiating with Russia. But russia is the unreasonable one?

      And the goal of regime change in russia is particularly funny, like not even fully leaving ukraine are they satisfied with this. So the idea that peace can be obtained is for russia to leave, yet the ukranians themselves don’t even want this. Delusional people who are miserably failing this war.

      (P.S. For you chuds and libs who are banned from lemmygrad, I cannot see your message, Real shame, and I cannot be bothered logging on to your alt-right platforms to engage with these illuminating comments).

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    “Our future is being shaped by a struggle, a struggle between the global majority in favor of a fairer distribution of global benefits and civilized diversity and between the few who wield neocolonial methods of subjugation in order to maintain their domination which is slipping through their hands,” he said.

    I mean, he’s not factually wrong, just framing it in reverse. Russia is indeed trying to colonize Ukraine to maintain their dominion which is slipping through their hands. It’s just not using neocolonial methods but good old armed conquest.

    And the people in favor of a fairer distribution of global benefits aren’t the people he’s thinking of. I mean it’s also clearly not the US, but “taking what Ukraine has and giving it to Russian Oligarchs” is also not a fairer distribution.

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    If only political leader would still take their sword and fight each other on the battlefield instead of letting the armies fight for those old geezers.

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      If any people deciding to go to wars had to really put their asses on the front lines the world would definitely be a peaceful place.

      But as always, in both sides, only the poor working class is dying on the front line.

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          Yes, of course, the working class in old western tanks and the rich and the politicians in their unicorns…

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        russia is running out of the poor though, weird who would have thought using human wave tactics would decimate a population…

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    a view taking hold among Ukraine’s allies that the war is likely to go on for years

    That’s been obvious since 2014, and since the full invasion of last year.

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    I would love to see that guy getting drafted and thrown into the battlefield he’s bragging about.

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    Speaking at a news conference at the United Nations on Saturday, the minister called a 10-point peace blueprint promoted by Kyiv “completely not feasible”.

    Kyiv’s plan:

    Energy security, with a focus on price restrictions on Russian energy resources

    Restoring Ukraine’s territorial integrity and Russia reaffirming it according to the UN Charter

    Withdrawal of Russian troops and the cessation of hostilities, the restoration of Ukraine’s state borders with Russia

    Justice, including the establishment of a special tribunal to prosecute Russian war crimes

    building security architecture in the Euro-Atlantic space, including guarantees for Ukraine.

    What leverage does Ukraine think they have to institute such a blatantly pro-Ukraine peace resolution? Based on Ukraine’s proposed plan, you’d think they were at the sea of Azov and halfway to Moscow, rather than stuck in a few salients along the same frontline they were at a year ago.

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    The battlefield isn’t even being faught on the Ukrainian side using the most cutting edge of Western technology and you want to keep fighting? Holy shit.

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    I’d like to see that old fascist fucker on the front lines, to join the conscripts he’s sending to their deaths.

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    I fucking hate this guy’s guts. I know that’s why he’s so good at his job, but I just… ugh. Whenever I see his stupid face, it’s like I’m getting preliminarily angry.

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      I’m trying to remember what language it is, it might be German or Japanese, which has a word which translates “a face badly in need of a fist.” That’s this guy.

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        German, Backpfeifengesicht. I also like “Fresse wie’n Lexikon: Aufschlagen, zuschlagen, nachschlagen.”

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            It’s okay, we’re aware it’s hard. :-/ The compound words aren’t even the worst part, actually—articles are the real killers. Those, and the fact that the grammatically correct word order changes depending on what kind of idea you’re trying to get across. Ugh.

            On the other hand, English is its own can of worms. If I hadn’t learned English as my first foreign language, I’d have pulled my hair out, mostly because of the spelling.

            English is a difficult language. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.