Obama had to be polite, intelligent, and well-spoke, or else he’d be considered too “hood” for the White House, Trump has had no such requirement.
If Obama or Harris had shown up with their five kids from three different marriages, it would be the ultimate proof that the “Lessers are breeding like crazy!” and they would be condemned by the bigots on Right and the “I’m not racist, but…” on the Left|
When Trump did it, he was just seen as a family man.
-Hosts dinner
-Cold shitty McDonald’s
I would’ve ordered some pizza and left that bullshit
At the level orangie is polling, sexist would be generous. A flaming dumpster fire probably more accurate.
bold of you to assume they don’t love him because he attempted a coup on live tv
Chalk it up to Citizens United and corporate media - the partnership to end democracy.
She is not competent at all.
You say that as if you would claim that Mr Trump is competent, despite his (presumably age related) mental problems and his complete lack of ability in doing politics
She passed the bar exam which is known for being an incredibly difficult exam. And defended victims (including sexual assault) by herself in courts for years.
The Don on the other hand boasted you need to be quite smart to win golf championships and didn’t realize you can’t inject the same stuff you disinfect with to cure COVID (which is common sense).
His own ex staff calls him dangerous and stupid including Mike Pence. Kamala has the support of her staff and a huge amount of Donald’s too.
The only one calling Kamala stupid is Trump…
Wouldn’t you want someone who has comprehensive knowledge of the law running the country, instead of a rapist who is leaking classified documents to everyone he can?
Well she’s not a competent con artist, but that’s not what it’s supposed to be about.
I just want universal healthcare FOR FUCKS SAKE
Not to defend “them”, but I really do believe that very little of this has anything to do with the fact that she’s a woman. It’s a red versus blue thing, democracy versus fascism. At this point, it doesn’t really matter who runs for president, wrt gender or even race. Trump has attacked her race far more than mentioning anything about her gender. Nonetheless, Trump just sees the dems as “the enemy“, and has convinced all of his cultists to view things in the same terms.
Any other Republican of this current generation would probably attack her on her gender as much as her race, but for some reason, Trump only attacks things he doesn’t understand such as biraciality (biracialness? Biracitude?).
Pretty much, I used to think Hillary was just THAT unpopular, and that Trump could never win a fair election with someone competent, capable, and without baggage.
I really hope I wasn’t wrong…
They are new to politics, and are using the only model they find applicable:
Sports spectating, ala pro-wrestling or college football.
They’ve attacked the fact she’s a childless woman plenty. Like if it mattered for her policies. I doubt they’ll straight up attack her for just being a woman much because they still want the conservative woman vote but they’ll sure as shit attack her for woman things.
Hey, that lady hasn’t had kids. I haven’t had kids, but that’s ok because I’m a man. Fuck that bitch, she doesn’t have kids, she can’t be an american. /s
I think what he is saying is sexism is at play much less than tribalism.
I dont think any sane person can say that sexism is not at play at all.
That’s fair enough. Really it’s a travesty at all that we have to rank what’s being attacked, especially when it has nothing to do with policy.
They’ve attacked her because she doesn’t have any biological children, not because she’s a woman. Although they may be related, the attacks were very specifically against her, not having any biological children.
Because they talk about men not having kids all the time…
They certainly make it as difficult as possible for game to adopt children.
Stop trying to make this simple and black-and-white as they want you to think it is. They’re playing into their bullshit.
What?
Nobody has ever called out a male politician for not having kids. Attacking her for not having kids is literally exclusively about gender.
Nobody has ever called out a male politician for not having kids.
You don’t know that. And if you’re claiming that’s a fact, then prove it.
When you have to invent things just to make your point, you can’t have a very good point.
Prove a negative!
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Trump and his reich frequently attack her for being a step mother, accuse her of using sex for professional gain, and call her a cat lady. What the fuck are you talking about?
If you have been suddenly struck with amnesia, I suggest you read my comment again. The answer to your incredibly insulting question is there. If it was so shocking and unacceptable to you that you suffered sudden amnesia as a result of reading my comment, that’s on you.
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lol
Maybe if you complain some more, the world will be exactly the way you want.
The sense of entitlement from you…
You’re awfully belligerent and condescending for someone with nothing to say.
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While I agree that at its heart it’s a red vs blue issue, I’ve seen more than enough explicitly sexist commentary from Trump supporters, most commonly suggesting that Kamala has attained her status via sexual favors rather than years of public service.
Trump supporters
Ahem…
I’ve heard people openly talking about this election being “whether a woman gets to be president or not”.
I think what he is saying is sexism is at play much less than tribalism.
I dont think any sane person can say that sexism is not at play at all.
I’m not disagreeing, just saying sexism is playing a much bigger part than I anticipated.
Were they saying it like it was a good thing or bad thing?
They were saying it the misogynistic way.
I’m sure it has much nuance, but all things being equal. If she were a 45 year old white man, I believe it would be a lot less close.
I believe that a lot of it has to do with her being a non-white woman.
Obviously, something like 30-40% of people had already picked a side and were going to vote either Trump or whoever was not Trump on the other ticket. But, there are still plenty of people in the middle. Given how extreme the US is, the “middle” isn’t reasonable, thoughtful people. They’re all voting for the democrats. It’s racists who don’t think abortion should be banned. It’s sexists who are concerned with corruption. It’s people who are in the alt-right bubble and think that George Soros and Bill Gates are using mosquitoes to infect people with 5G… but who think Trump is a Freemason, so you can’t vote for him.
👍 in my country I’m in the middle, but by US-American standards I’m far left (or more left than the democrats at least).
To add to that, calling them sexist further entrenches them. A big part of that movement is a reaction to being called sexist, racist, etc… All you’re doing is playing into their own propaganda. That’s why the “weird” moniker was so much more effective.
Hey, we don’t know they’re sexist. Perhaps they’re racist.
Seriously?
Por que no los dos.
is there supposed to be a “no” in that sentence or did i imagine that?
Yeah, I made it a sarcastic statement but it’s still broken without no.
Lil Column “A”, Lil Column “B”
Lil Column 5
Lotta
Bigoted fits.
No scandals other than the genocide thing.
Because Trump is so Pro-Palestine. /s
So, it’s only bad when a Republican does it? Wow.
Funny, I thought the president was in charge of foreign policy. Good to know it was actually the VP’s job all along.
I’m assuming you’ve never seen her debates, or statements about the issue. If you had, you’d know that she pledged to continue supporting Isreal.
The issue is spreading negativity right before an election, it’s best to wait until after for these comments.
Yeah those, checks notes, victims of genocide can wait obviously.
Not like I can do anything about it except vote.
You could not make statements that insinuate the plight of genocide victims takes a back seat to US elections because it’s distracting or harmful to those poor presidential candidates. This has been going on for over a year, this isn’t some new issue that popped up before an election.
Will be interesting to see the floodgates that open on November 6th.
It’s very funny to imagine all the libs on here suddenly doing an about face as soon as the election’s over, but it’s not going to happen. It’s just a way to shut down criticism and they’ll find another way to shut down criticism after the election, guaranteed.
Other way. If a Republican does it, then it’s not bad for the Democrat to do it. /s
what a moronic and inhumane reply.
or maybe there isn’t anything sensible to defend this. biden, trump, harris all need to be jailed for life. but because there are all part of same scheme we are left with this scam. i won’t be surprised if biden like kissinger gets noble peace prize for murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians and children.
So they’re equally terrible on that issue? You could choose to believe that, but I suspect that Kamala’s weaselly policy of “promoting a ceasefire” is not as bad as Trump’s consistently zionist anti-muslim stances. Believe what you like.
You’ve got a choice between one person with a terrible stance on Gaza, and who supports women’s bodily autonomy, would try to rebalance the Supreme Court, and has no criminal convictions, versus another person with a terrible stance on Gaza, and who will also sign a federal abortion ban into law, will nominate a crowd of clown judges up and down the system, led a deadly insurrection on the nation’s Capitol, is a sex abuser, a tax cheater, a convicted fraudster, and is described by those who know him as completely unsuited fot authority.
What are you going to do? If Trump wins it will be because people like you let him win.
Tell me please, if one person committed a murder, and another person committed 2 murders, would both be evil, or just the one who did 2? Also, this isn’t advocating for non-voting, just pointing out that both people are evil. It also never says that they are equally evil, so this isn’t a “both sides” argument either.
Both are evil, I agree.
If disarming Israel were on the ballot I would absolutely be your ally in this. If it were an election issue, it would be the most important election issue.
Sadly, it isn’t.
Also, the one with the bad stance on Gaza might listen to reason. There’s a chance that if she’s elected, that campaigns to call her office, protest marches, etc. might possibly get her to change her stance on full-on support for Israel.
If Trump’s elected he might change his mind based on bribes or flattery from strong-man leaders, but he won’t listen to voters or protesters.
she is only weasling ceasefire before election. after election she will tell anyone raising it to stfu. the same gun was placed on our head in last election and it will be the same in next election. what has biden done to reverse any of those awful things ? why are samuel and clarence not impeached ? why is trump not in jail ? why has biden not overturned any of the trump corpo tax reductions. he has achieved nothing but death of innocents.
dnc needs to change all the way or we need to overthrow this system. all the lobbyists including aipac needs to be jailed and mic needs to be nationalised or broken up significantly.
The Republicans built up to the atrocious system we are in incrementally. Over decades and decades. Western society is a huge paddle-steamer chugging right faster and faster.
Our options are to increase the rightward acceleration or decrease it. It’s going to be a long time before that leftward acceleration becomes actual leftward velocity. I’m sorry it is like this. I wish it wasn’t.
dnc did it to themselves in 2016 when they chose lobbyists over voters. this is not about right or left. dnc just doesn’t cares about its voter base.
biden and harris are carrier politicians who do what lobbyists pay them to do. dnc would have won 2016 if they had even done a fair primaries. they will sweep this election if it was an actual progressive candidate like aoc or bernie. Obama showed it twice.
we are fucked like the Palestinians irrespective of who wins this election
She’s not president. What is she single-handedly supposed to do? Hilarious that people blame her, not Biden.
Like, we have a felon, racist, con-artist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, asshat who is running and has actively embodied wanting to be the next Hitler, disparages fallen soldiers, taken obvious bribes, lied to citizens faces, started an attempt to overthrow our government, put children in cages, taken money from corrupt countries, will actively attempt to bring back concentration camps, ban women from having bodily autonomy, ban schools from talking about slavery or risk losing funding, make it illegal to be gay/trans, and laugh in your damn face about it all.
But no, the Black lady said some mean things and so therefore she’s not qualified and so I’ll just not do anything so the white guy wins.
I understand that we are stuck with these 2 candidates. But is it not still valid to complain that we have to pick between full throttle genocide and a slightly more palatable “restrained” genocide?
I’m not advocating for people not to vote for Harris. But to boil everything down to “said some mean things” is completely reductive. And you’re correct that she is not the president yet. But the only indication of what her actions will be when and if she is elected, are the things that she is saying now. And right now we are not seeing much if any pushback against what Israel is doing. She keeps saying that Israel has a right to defend itself. But what Israel is doing right now is going far above and beyond simple self defense. It is a genocide.
One way that people have the power to convince her to change her policy is by being vocal about their dissatisfaction. Presidents need to have personal convictions. They can’t just be completely wishy washy. But their role is to be an advocate and representative of the people’s interests. This is why they get elected. Because people feel that the candidate they are voting for is in line with their beliefs, and policies and changes they wish to see. So when people are vocal about their dissatisfaction with the policies she is putting forth, it gives her an indication that it is time to take a second look at what people are criticizing her about. To actually listen to what people are saying and potentially change her views. Especially if she wants their votes.
The people that are criticizing Harris on these issues in particular are by and large people who very obviously would not vote for / do not support Trump. A criticism of Harris is not supporting Trump. It is hoping to convince Harris to become a candidate that they can fully support. Someone they truly believe in and want to become president. Not just somebody they vote for because “well at least it’s not Trump”.
Cyka blyat 🤣
Yeah, because the orange guy is completely scandal-free, am I right? /s
And how does that change the fact that the post says there aren’t any? Last time I checked 1 is more than 0.
If something affects both sides it’s effectively “a wash” and cancel each other out.
Unless you have weird double standards and only apply them when it’s convenient.
If something affects both sides it’s effectively “a wash” and cancel each other out.
It’s called mental gymnastics to think “two wrongs make a right.”
It’s called a strawman to build an argument that was never made and then attack it.
an argument that was never made
It says 0 scandals right there in the post
Just because the other guy also has scandals doesn’t mean she has 0
You didn’t make this absurd claim?:
If something affects both sides it’s effectively “a wash” and cancel each other out.
If you are victimized, you believe you then have the right to also victimize “to cancel it out”?
Context is important, that’s how we continue the conversation.
If Candidate A is a genocidal maniac, and Candidate B is a genocidal maniac. It’s effectively a wash and pointless to say “well Candidate A supports genocide!”
Hope this clarified my meaning.
That doesn’t work in this context, if one person murders someone, and another murders 2 people, both are still murderers, one just is a worse murderer(as in more evil, not as in worse at committing murder)
That doesn’t work in this context
one just is a worse murderer
Seems like it works just fine.
So are you agreeing with what I said about both people being murderers or not? Because of you are then you agree that it isn’t a wash, and if you disagree then you are fucking stupid.
Is two murders worse than one?
Most competent and qualified genocider #girlboss 💕. Her form of genocide is much more elegant than her opponent’s.
Cool so I assume you’re voting for Harris then? She obviously is the candidate who would cause less harm to the people of Gaza and Palestinians in general.
So it’d be pretty dumb to say something like that and then not try to do what you can as an individual to help (by voting for Harris).
You assume correctly! Like you, I am simp-pathetic to upholding the genocidal status quo.
It’d be pretty dumb not to blame anyone except those that nominated Harris, the best and only possible candidate to beat Trump.
It would be outright dimwitted to believe any other course of action exists besides voting to show one’s undying loyalty to career politicians who uphold the beautiful and completely non-toxic American status quo.
Feel free to take a break from the endless sarcasm and let us know what course of action you think people should be taking and what would get them to take it.
Circling back to the content of this post, which supposes that Harris has no faults, I suggest and support critical thinking.
This meme comes from a narrow frame of mind that imagines great differences between foreign policy (where none actually exist) between “sides” and mindlessly upholds a corrupt two party doctrine.
The idea that democrats are entitled to certain votes emboldened Biden to proclaim African Americans aren’t “black”.
Take a break from mindlessly accepting a toxic status quo. Stop showing establishment Dems that they are entitled to votes no matter how far right they are on policy.
Firat of all, your claim that the original post says that Harris is perfect/faultless, is obviously false. The original post does not make that claim, it doesn’t even imply it. So that’s a strawman.
Second, your tone of communication strongly indicates a contrarian “holier-than-though” mindset that is typical for teenagers but also people who never grow out of mental self-indulgence. The lack of any sort of substantive argumentation doesn’t help your case either.
The original post doesn’t idealistically describe Harris??
Your patronizing tone of hypocrisy speaks to an un-loved childhood.
Your inability to recognize a substantive argument is both a personal failing and a projection of your own “contribution” to this discussion.
This is what I asked you:
Feel free to take a break from the endless sarcasm and let us know what course of action you think people should be taking and what would get them to take it.
You have answered neither of those things. You just told me how you expected people to think. That was not the question. You brought up actions earlier, not thoughts.
You don’t actually have any actions for people to take, do you?
You demand hand holding and spoon feeding.
You would never be a useful ally, but I’m sure you will serve the status quo establishment well.
You are correct. Contrarianism does not require allies.
Allies are needed for people who have plans of action, something you lack.
Obviously people are thinking a lot harder than you. Why do you think you are the first person to realize that the democratic left is actually the rest of the world’s far right? Everyone figured that out when they were fucking twelve, so stop believing you are some enlightened philosophical or some shit.
While we here, everyone else has also already realized that third party votes accomplish nothing in the current state of politics. Throw your vote wherever you want, but no party besides rep and dem is getting an electoral so thanks for wasting it. Unless we are all willing to get up, and force the hand of change, that is the reality we all have to live in. Well maybe if you caught up with everyone else you would know that.
No one should argue for change unless it’s popular to do so.
Wow, so this has been the basis of human progress so far?
Anyone who participates in society would be a hypocrite to make such criticisms right?
Strange how you only complain about her regarding this issue, when drump would 1000 time worse for the Palestinians.
Strange how a woman could complain about her abusive partner, when there exists another man who is “1000 times” more abusive. What a selfish and dumb woman.
Have you heard of FPTP
The famously least democratic voting system? I am aware.
Google:
First Past the Post (FPTP) is widely regarded as a minimally democratic system. Here are some key reasons:
Lack of Proportionality: FPTP fails to accurately represent the popular vote, often resulting in a mismatch between the number of seats won and the percentage of votes received. This leads to a concentration of power among the largest parties, marginalizing smaller parties and independent candidates. Wasted Votes: In FPTP systems, many votes are wasted as they do not contribute to the outcome of the election. In the 2024 UK general election, for example, 74% of votes were wasted, meaning that only one in four votes had a decisive impact. Tactical Voting: FPTP encourages strategic voting, where voters choose a candidate not because they genuinely support them, but because they think they have a better chance of winning. This undermines the principle of democratic choice and leads to a lack of accountability among elected representatives. Limited Representation: FPTP systems often result in a small number of dominant parties, limiting the representation of diverse voices and perspectives. This can exacerbate existing social and economic inequalities. Comparative Ranking: According to the Citizen Network’s Global Ranking of Electoral Systems, FPTP is not used by most countries, and even among those that do use it, it is often criticized for its limitations. Many countries have adopted more democratic alternatives, such as Proportional Representation (PR) systems.In conclusion, while FPTP may seem simple and intuitive, it is widely regarded as a least democratic system due to its lack of proportionality, wasted votes, tactical voting, limited representation, and comparative ranking among electoral systems.
Obviously you don’t seem to understand that it means that either bad is winning or way way worse is winning.
Your idea of “winning” is maintaining a status quo of state sponsored genocide with exponentially growing homelessnes.
Those that suffer the most in America will barely register a difference in their lives either way. Meanwhile you pretend a major distinction exists in a corporate duopoly.
Winning the election obviously 🤦
I didnt infer that and you know it. Strange how you don’t post anything else about being pro-Palestine or raise any other of the myriad of issues they are facing.
So the only valid criticisms can come from whoever passes your vaguely defined litmus test of “posting about being pro-Palestine”?
“Her form of genocide is much more elegant than her opponent’s.” I’m not sure where you’re getting that?
I hope people like you are the first people put in the camps if the other one wins because of you.
Imagine hoping for people you disagree with to “be put in camps” while thinking you’re different and better than fascists.
I hope people like you are the first people put in the camps
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Good to know the military has failed to screen out individuals who support concentration camps.
Enjoy what little time you still have before the election.
You sound like a threat to others.
You sound like a potentially radicalized domestic terrorist and an agent of America’s adversaries acting against our national interests, and a threat to national security. Your rhetoric and concepts are indicative of potential compromise by FSB and CCP psychological operations, something which may concern the Federal Bureau of Investigation (if American) or the Central Intelligence Agency (if a foreign national).
Go ahead and make a report to the CIA that someone criticized your “dear leader” you cult Kool aid drinker.
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Clearly, you’d prefer someone who would attack his own nation’s people. Because obviously, that’s preferable. /s
Attacking friendlies is bad, except when Israel does it?
reported Israeli military attacks against US military and UN peacekeepers:
October 11, 2024: Israeli military fired on UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon, injuring two Sri Lankan soldiers and one Indonesian soldier. The Israeli military acknowledged responsibility for the incident. October 10, 2024: Israeli military fired on UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon, injuring two members of the peacekeeping force. The UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon) reported that Israeli tanks had deliberately fired at and disabled monitoring cameras prior to the attack. October 11, 2024: Israeli military struck a UN peacekeeper position in southern Lebanon, wounding two peacekeepers. The UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres condemned the attack, calling it a “grave violation of international humanitarian law.” October 13, 2024: Israeli tanks forced entry into a UNIFIL position in southern Lebanon, according to the UN. The UNIFIL reported that Israeli forces had destroyed the position’s main gate and forcibly entered the position. October 14, 2024: Israeli military attacked a Christian town in northern Lebanon, killing at least 21 people, including civilians and UN peacekeepers. The UN Secretary-General condemned the attack, calling it a “grave violation of international humanitarian law.”No?
Ok
Are you, though?
What’s your awareness level on toxic positivity and the childlike assumption that life must be enjoyable at all times?
I think you’ve disabused all of us of the latter notion.
So libs are really just dropping all lip service to criminal justice reform now.
Nah, we’re just not voting for a fascist for president but I can see how that’s confusing when you drop all morals for selfishness.
Glad to hear you’re voting third party!
Not as long as federal elections tallied with FPTP
Then you’re voting for a genocidal fascist.
No, Trump is the fascist. And a weirdo that no one likes.
Vote for Kamala because she wants a ceasefire. Trump wants Israel to finish what it started.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
Israel doesn’t want a ceasefire, which is the only reason why a ceasefire won’t happen. It has nothing to do with a political party and everything to do with whether a government has any obligation to diplomacy or democracy.
Even though Israel is controlled by fascists currently, the US and the international community have a lot of leverage to use against them. We should use it. But under Trump we definitely won’t.
Kamala doesn’t really want a ceasefire, that’s 100% bullshit, since she vowed to keep arming and funding the terrorist state of Isreal.
We only vote for her because the genocidal zionist is somehow the lesser evil in this fucked up clown show we call America. She, and especially her husband, are zionists to the core.
Kamala: fascist, will continue funding genocide and maintain the status quo of the class war we are losing
Trump: fascist, will continue funding genocide, become dictator, will plunder and obliterate what’s left of western civilization while he’s at it.
Picking the poison that’s least likely to kill us all and send firing squads to exterminate protesters.
Let’s not polish this massive turd we’ve been handed. Both administrations have been funding genocide for the last 75 years, and they’re not going to stop, since they need to keep fueling the military industrial complex to prop up the petro dollar and stave off the inevitable complete economic and societal collapse we face because of the crooks in power who broke the economy and bled peasants dry over the last century.
1 realistically depressed and disgusted vote for Harris here. Rant over.
Kamala is a neoliberal while Trump is a self-identified fascist. This user put it best. Kamala has in fact stated she wants a ceasefire.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
Well hello there 1 month old obvious hexbear alt
Yeah cuz hexbear is the only place on the internet where you’ll find this opinion /s
Hur dur RaGeBaiT iS fUn
I believe very strongly that there is a criminal who needs to be reformed by the justice system.
Strangely, he’s allowed to run for president anyway.
People pretending Kamala is competent is almost as funny as people pretending Trump is Christian.
This is going to be Hilary all over again. Absolutely the same clueless “why won’t you vote for me?! I have such good referrals!!” energy.
She’s not even president yet, she passed the bar exam, and yet you’ve figured her out
Have you got your bar licence? Maybe it makes sense to have someone in charge of the US who has comprehensive knowledge of the law… Just a thought
Whereas you posted 8500 comments in the past year alone averaging 15 comments per day since joining last year… Which suggests you’re possibly not even employed…
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Err. Nothing about this post makes it something that should be removed
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Also the implication that a subset of Americans are sexist because they won’t vote for a woman who has expressed unwavering support in continuing a genocide.
More 👏 female 👏 genocide 👏 perpetrators 👏
Netanjahu is openly cheering for trump, knowing that he will have no more breaks on his plan to completely level Gaza and expand on the settler program.
Trump is the one that basically told the Palestinian people that they’ll never have Jerusalem as a capital by moving the embassy there
It’s so obvious how much this is just a bad-faith attempt to discourage people from voting for the clearly better choice if you care about Palestine…
You do realize that if trump wins, there is a very real possibility he’ll nuke Gaza himself? Because I need to know you understand that. Kamala might not be as harsh on bibi as you’d like, but she’ll work towards a ceasefire. Trump has threatened to nuke foreign countries before but was stopped by his staff like his former chief of staff, john kelly, and his former secretary of defense mark milley (both of whom have recently come out and described trump as a fascist btw). And that staff won’t be around this time to stop him. He’s surrounding himself with sycophants who will blindly do his bidding.
ah yes great. we get to select plain or polite genocide. as vile as trump is nuking gaza seems like a mercy compared to the slow death from hunger or burning them alive which is being done with biden blessing and not a single statement from harris to even acknowledge this genocide.
Yes, it’s awful you only get two choices and neither will do enough about palenstine. But what about the other issues? Reproductive and LGTBQ rights? Surely Harris would be better on that front?
i get that for you it’s not vile enough to not participate in this farce but i can’t vote for genocide of innocents who have already suffered decades of apartheid. for me a red line has been reached.
maybe in next election we will have marjorie vs some another dnc lobby shill where the choice will be just bring back slavery in general or just slavery of colored people. will that be red line for you or will be still saying that it’s awful but dnc is better and it’s the only viable choice ?
I’m Canadian so I don’t get a vote. But even in a broken system I would still vote for the lesser. How are things ever going to get better if apathy allows republicans in each time?
You don’t need to be silent but of the two options who is more likely to be swayed? No matter what it’s going to be one of the two in power.
voting for lesser evil works worked for biden. now dnc is evil as republicans, they just lie about it.
my next vote will be only for a candidate who is willing to jail aipac, citizen united and other lobbyists.
These people don’t actually care about rights. They have found a single issue to throw all of their weight behind and are blind to everything that doesn’t support their position 100%.
I guarantee you there are large numbers of Palestinians who would not pass their ‘care about genocide’ purity test based solely on things like thinking that Harris will result in less death than Trump.
this not a single issue. dnc has become as evil as trump. They don’t care about pregnant women getting shot by snipers and bombed in hospitals and you think they give a rat ass about women’s rights.
lgbt, abortition are issues in 21st century because of their complicity. a vote for kamal is endorsing gencoide and continue this spiral of decline.
have you seen the footage of what’s happening in gaza ? how offensive to suggest that they should vote for a candidate who is already been burning their family alive for a year. rot in hell with that mentality.
Thanks for proving my point.
You don’t give a shit about queer people’s rights or about brown people getting deported by the millions.
Claiming democrats are just as bad as Trump on these issues is a disgusting lie at the expense of queer people.
No Democrat would do any of this. Harris certainly wouldn’t:
https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community
Project 2025 would make that exponentially worse. It would be another genocide. Plus the genocide he’s made clear he’s going to do with brown people by deporting as many as he possibly can, which would literally require concentration camps.
You care about one single issue and you don’t even care if Palestinians agree with you on your ideas.
Now you’re fuckin gettin it! So which one, plain or polite? Those are the only options, it’s happening regardless so which are you picking?
Less how sexist ð country as a whole is and more how sexist ð battleground states are.
If it was even just FPTP popular vote, Hariss would be projected for a landslide right now.
Can you explain why you’re just, casually using eths in your post
'cause I feel like it
Theres a yutube called robwords who sells this tshirt
Funny þing, I actually have a whole revised system of writing, which I don’t use online mostly just because people wouldn’t be able to read it wiðout learning it ðemselves, and it only has ð letter Q in it because Robwords’ letter Kwak (which I call Kwik) isn’t in Unicode. Nor would be my preferred alternative of a similar letter but using Ƿ and ƿ instead of W and w wið ð k.
Just so you know, people skip over your posts because of the way you’re writing them.
Most people don’t expect reading forum posts to be a challenge.
The deck is stacked. But when you talk about leveling the playing field - with DC statehood or repel of felony disenfranchisement or just prosecuting a cunt like Elon when he’s caught buying votes in an election - liberals just shrug and insist there’s nothing they can do.
Pure controlled opposition. You begin to question whether they even want to win.
I don’t know why you’re being down voted. Democrat opposition being weak and ineffective is such a recognized fact that it has a name: the ratchet system.
She’s doing better than the old white man who’s been politically powerful for half a century…
The thing is we could have ran AOC and shed have pissed off exactly as many conservatives, but gotten a whole lot more moderate support and taken votes from Stein
The biggest problems with Kamala Harris are her policies
The biggest problems with Kamala Harris are her policies
She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028. This sprint to the right she’s pulled in recent months better be to get in the door.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-democrats.html
As Vice President Kamala Harris makes a broad play to the political center, some Democrats worry that she is going too far in her bid to win over moderates who are skeptical of former President Donald J. Trump. In private — and increasingly in public as Election Day fast approaches — they say she risks chilling Democratic enthusiasm by alienating progressives and working-class voters.
Damn right she risks it.
From the same article:
She has centered her economic platform on middle-class issues like small businesses and entrepreneurship rather than raising the minimum wage, a deeply held goal of many Democrats that polls well across the board. She has taken a harder-line stance on the border than has any member of her party in a generation and has talked more prominently about owning a Glock than about combating climate change. She has not broken from President Biden on the war Israel is waging in Gaza.
Edit - wow that’s a good article. It says everything that needs to be said.
“The tent is big enough for a guy who got us into a war with Iraq, and then the tent is not big enough for a Palestinian to speak for two minutes on the D.N.C. stage,” said Ms. Joshi, contrasting the endorsement of Ms. Harris by Ms. Cheney’s father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, with the Democratic Party’s decision not to invite a Palestinian American to speak at its national convention.
What if Donald Trump ran for president in 2028? The powers that be can keep this going since its a win-win. Vote for establishment Democrats who are leaning more right or vote for a fascist who will move the needle overnight.
What if Donald Trump ran for president in 2028?
He won’t be. They can barely prop him up now. He’s in worse shape than Biden, and frankly I think he was in worse shape than Biden when Biden dropped out.
I’m not convinced he’ll be able to keep his body alive until 2028, if all (or even most of) the stories about how he treats it are true.
Anyhow, my sentence you are primarily responding to should have been this:
She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028 by itself.
If the net effect of a Kamala first term is to pull the party to the right (as is currently tracking) then no, I’ll be one of the people getting yelled at online for refusing to give her my vote for a second term. That’s an outcome she is entirely capable of avoiding.
Yeah! How dare you! /s
