Donald Trump has won a second term in the White House after surpassing the 270 electoral votes needed for victory, CBS News projected Wednesday morning.
  • RubicTopaz@lemmy.world
    22·
    6 days ago

    Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.

    Not even gonna resist? Really?

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      13·
      6 days ago

      A bit different this time, since the people overwhelmingly voted for the fascist. The Nazi party in the late 30s only had a plurality in their parliament.

      But yeah it definitely rhymes… Though I’m honestly not sure what else they should do that wouldn’t result in all out civil war

  • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
    22·
    7 days ago

    So, I might get put on a list for this, but so be it.

    Does no one else here feel like a little bit of fuckery has happened in the election process?

    It’s like overnight everyone has forgotten about all those ballot boxes that were burned, multiple cases of ballot box interference (1,2), and the fact that Trump and his ilk are always projecting, which means that when he says a state or someone is cheating, it very well could mean that he and his cronies are up to no good. What about those bomb threats?

    Now, with all of that being said, I do NOT want to come off as the same of the likes of a Trump supporter. I do not want you all to look at me like I am trying to cause distrust in the system. I do trust the system (as much as I can of course), so let it be said here and now, I am not saying this as a matter of fact.

    These points, and the very quick and almost instant next day results, have made me very much question the LANDSLIDE that Trump had this year. Voter turn out was at an all time high, and I know that doesn’t mean a lot, but everything combined makes me a little inquisitive to the nature of the results. We know that Russian interference happened in 2016. We know about Russian interference in the 2020 election. We also expected, and are sure of, interference in this election of 2024. That’s not even counting all the billionaires and millionaires having private little meetings about how they can push the scales to their favor, Trump and Musk talking to Putin in private, and I’m sure there are plenty more that we can all find easily verifiable facts on.

    I guess what I’m trying to say, is that something felt more off about this election, than the past three, to me at least.

    Am I just being silly? Can someone help me here?

    • Mcdolan@lemmy.world
      9·
      6 days ago

      Honestly this has been knocking around in my head. Did truly less people vote this go around?

      We have more days of counting to go through but I’m honesty surprised at the numbers so far.

      If less people voted then fair, but something feels off. Kinda left with some uncomfortable possibilities if there’s a way to know the true number of people that voted.

      • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
        8·
        6 days ago

        I agree. If there really are that much less votes this year, and everything is clear as can be, then I concede my theory. It just seems so… strange? Like, he was literally sitting there claiming fraud, and then…? Nothing…? Just stopped peddling it, and won? Like, he got real confident, real quick…

      • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
        3·
        6 days ago

        You are not alone. On the AP website’s live vote map, I saw quite a few suspicious looking “called” on states that hadn’t even started yet. I know it was an algorithm or prediction method, and maybe I didn’t look as hard in 2020 as I did this year, but I just can not help but question the amount of shit that happened THIS time not having an affect on the election. I am probably just being hopeful that SOMETHING pops up about all this in the following weeks. Do I believe it will? Nah, not really. We literally allowed a felon to run as president, so, yeah. Am I HOPEFUL? Yes, just a smidge.

        While the right is doing their little celebration dance, saying how they are going to do all of these terrible things, I just have the smallest smidge of hope that someone in power somewhere in the USA is collecting some damning evidence in the background.

        Crazy? I get it. Really just an emotional person trying to convince themselves there is someone looking into it on the basis of odd and/or suspicious.

          • LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
            2·
            5 days ago

            I early voted in person unfortunately. One of the other comments said that there seemed to be some ballots that weren’t coming through customs.

    • Spezi@feddit.org
      3·
      6 days ago

      My wife voted from overseas (Germany) and her ballot is stuck in customs for 4 weeks now and didn’t arrive in time. We sent it through airmail with tracking and usually, letters arrive in a week.

      Thats begs the question: Why would a ballot be stuck in customs for so long and why does a letter have to go through customs in the first place

      Worst of all, she voted in Wisconsin where trump won by less than 30k votes. Online there are multiple people reporting that their ballot is stuck in customs. Could it be that postmaster general DeJoy is supressing votes by redirecting votes to customs? I assume that overseas votes from Europe are overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

  • Vanon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    7 days ago

    Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.

    First, Democrat’s gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel’s genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical “decent conservatives” was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.

    Second, “the high road” has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we’re going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.

    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip
      18·
      7 days ago

      The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It’s a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.

      I’m glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren’t familiar with the concept.

  • Nyciferi@kbin.melroy.org
    14·
    7 days ago

    I’m not accepting the results. Trump is not my President.

    I voted Harris and that was my pick.

    This is just absolute bullshit that she now turns and expects people who were voting not just for her, but voting for a continual track of progress for this country. She expects us to ‘accept it’. What about the people in LGBTQ who’re now fearing for their lives? Tell them to “Accept it” for what’s to come for them when the AmeriNazi Regime comes banging on their doors? What about the minorities who’re now fearing for their lives about getting deported? Going to tell them to “Accept it” as the AmeriNazi Regime scream and demand that they go back?

    What about the working class who’re now fretting over their resources and now looking down the barrel of having to take in more work and have little time to relax in life? Going to tell them to “Accept it” as the AmeriNazi Regime overworks and burns them out to death to support the upper class and corporate interests?

    Harris, I liked you and voted for you. But this is a ‘Fuck you’ to accepting the AmeriNazi Regime.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 days ago

      You’re just as bad as the stop the steal trumpers when you ignore the election. You need to accept the loss, you don’t have to just go back to doing nothing though. You can work to recruit voters to your side for the next 4 years instead of just the few months before.

    • Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      7 days ago

      I agree and stand the same. He is not and never was eligible to be a president. He is a fraud, a chronic liar and nothing else. I have zero respect for any of the three letter agencies in accepting his presence and with them, any of the “'supreme court judges” because they are not either. Not now and never.

      America is Dead. This is but a corpse and those are maggots.

    • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldOP
      118·
      7 days ago

      And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?

      Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.

    • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      7 days ago

      We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
        11·
        7 days ago

        As if Republicans won’t eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don’t plan on being in the minority ever again.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.world
          12·
          7 days ago

          You’re putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.

          Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he’s going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.

          • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 days ago

            People’s feelings about the economy is the number 1 indicator of whether a party will be voted out of office.

            If Trump goes through with his insane tarrifs, inflation will skyrocket, people will be livid over the economy, and the Republicans in the Senate will be in real trouble.

  • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
    62·
    7 days ago

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

    Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

    In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

    Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

    2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

    In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

    2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

    I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      45·
      7 days ago

      2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.

      Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.

        • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          12·
          7 days ago

          Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.

            • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3·
              7 days ago

              Of course, which is the risk for at least Sotomayor this term. If Trump gets 3 more nominations, it could be possible that he’d be able to have 6 justices with an average age in their 50s, with plenty of time to continue the chaos.

              • Billiam@lemmy.world
                2·
                7 days ago

                In literally any other country, a criminal president getting to appoint six of nine judges to the highest court would rightfully be called corrupt and unethical.

                In the US, 🤷.

    • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      7 days ago

      I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

      But now, we’re 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we’ll also be an axis power.
      Every time I think we’re in the worst possible timeline the universe says “bet” and throws us another curveball.
      I’m getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

      • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
        4·
        7 days ago

        I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and ‘maybe it won’t be so bad’ and less horror), but two things in common.

        1. Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
        2. People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now…)
    • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
      10·
      7 days ago

      Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It’s gone man, solid gone

      • niucllos@lemm.ee
        12·
        7 days ago

        I don’t understand how the rhetoric this time didn’t hurt him there tbh, he didn’t change it really

        • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
          3·
          7 days ago

          He stopped saying Mexicans or Hispanics and started saying Illegals for the most part. Boom.

          Also I’ve seen a lot of ‘first they came for the socialists’ type posting about that. In a fucked up way that’s actually the outcome the Democrats want. The other option is the Hispanics became ‘honorary whites’, the next Italian or Irish. Hispanic isn’t even really a race in the sense that black or white or asian(or native american, technically those two are one race sorta long story), it’s Mixed, European White - Slave Black - Native Mesoamerican, just mixed and mixing with other mixed so long you can’t really pick it out. We usually call the whiter ones Hispanics and the ones with a lot more Native or Black mestizo or creole or…Native and Black. Hispanic Culture is heavily christian and European influenced, it can be integrated into that coalition without too much trouble.

          If the established second generation Hispanics settle into reliable Republican or even just the men, that’s a Southern Strategy tier realignment. The Democrats are fucked for a generation. Outgroups don’t stay Outgroups forever, and we know how European Cultured Religious ‘in-groups’ do in the USA.

    • hOrni@lemmy.world
      7·
      7 days ago

      Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn’t think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.

      • ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 days ago

        Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed ‘histories greatest monster’ and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn’t.

  • Myxomatosis@lemmy.world
    41·
    7 days ago

    Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.world
      9·
      7 days ago

      This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.

  • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
    27·
    7 days ago

    What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      7 days ago

      When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.

      Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

      • Makhno@lemmy.world
        1·
        7 days ago

        Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

        Anarchism isn’t a political structure…? It’s the lack thereof, no?

        • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          To me, it’s the idea no structure compared to the idea of structure. Libertarians just want corporations to take it over, everyone else want a state.

          Perhaps I should have said it better, I’m kind of in a state of stress and “If don’t laugh at the situation, I am going to cry more.”