I was on stable diffusion art and one of my comments got removed for saying the OP didn’t “make” the AI generated art. But he didn’t make shit the AI made it, he typed in a description and hit enter. I think we need a new word for when someone shared art an AI made, like they generated it or something. It feels insulting to actual artists to say you made art with AI
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You’re 100% right. Hell, I’ve been there. I imagine your comment got deleted because the point of the thread wasnt to debate about the definition of artistry.
Prompted it is the best one I’ve heard, as crafting the right prompt is something of a skill on its own.
They didn’t make it, they prompted the AI to make it.
This is how art has worked for millennia.
I go to a human artist and say “please make me a painting of my family. Make my wife more beautiful, me more tall, and my kids not look like little shits.” And then you give money. That’s a prompt for a commissioned work.
No one ever praises the Duke of Milan for commissioning a painting of The Last Supper. They praise Leonardo Friggin’ di Vinci for making it.
Yeah, that’s a great analogy actually.
It is not. The issue here is not “praise”.
It’s weird to see this used as a con. This is exactly the framing AI app creators use. If it’s the same as paying an artist to make you art, then there are no issues whatsoever with using that art wherever.
There are deeper questions here.
This is weird to have to say, because I feel like I’m more open to AI generation than most online people, but I still think it needs a new copyright framework, it’s not the same as buying work from a human.
Honestly, these are both simplistic takes. Tools are tools are tools, so for better and worse there is a big gradient across “popped up a genAI and asked for an image with a prompt”>“asked a genAI for an image and then asked for changes”>“asked a gen AI for an image and then fine tuned it and tweaked it in parts to the point where, let’s be honest, this would have been faster to do in Photoshop from scratch” (which is a thing and it baffles me a little)>“made an image using some genAI content in the process”.
It’s a bit of a mess, and a good reason why to be safe for production and commercial use a lot of pro content creation places just ban the technology outright to avoid legal issues later. That’s a good call.
If you want to draw a line for amateur image sharing… I don’t know, it gets weird and complicated.
Well it’s like you commission a work when you use AI. Do this, more like that, bluer, smaller etc. So not creating art IMO.
there’s also sometimes deeper collaboration with image generation, where you edit the result in like krita and then send it through the generator again to smooth out the edges of the touch-ups.
i occasionally do work where i cut up existing images to make new ones, like making a person in a particular pose by pulling an head from one image, a torso from another, an arm and background features from a third etc, then i would painstakingly color match and blend it all together with hours of filter, clone brush and single-pixel edit work. with image generation i can get a blending and lighting pass for my image in a few seconds. it’s not perfect but the speed makes the work a lot easier.
Seems like it would be buch easier to take up drawing and painting 😁
Jk, to each their own artistic process.
i’m no artist, and i only do this stuff for me and my friends :) i’ve tried drawing but my fine motor skills are lacking. i see it as a sort of mashup art, which closely watches the way i see image generation as well.
Well, just to put things in perspective, you absolutely get to show, sell and promote something you comissioned, at least under most agreements. I’m not sure that is a great comparison. There are bigger issues with AI image gen than there are with paying an artist for something and using it for your project, whatever that may be.
Yeah but you’re not allowed to say you made it, you can buy and sell paintings all day long 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t really get what you want to say here.
You absolutely get to say you made it. Plus modify it, reproduce it, use it as the basis of other art and anything else you want. Any exception to that is some negotiated contractual clause that sets how crediting is meant to go or some policy to disclose it.
Movies have a long tradition of strict crediting rules (in the US, anyway). In comics there’s few people involved, so it tends to be easy. In games you can absolutely have a ton of art applied throughout (or concept art used as the basis for something) with no direct attribution beyond telling people yourself.
Hey, if AI hate gets people to realize how little recourse the actual person doing creative work as a contractor has to claim it at least this nonsense will have a positive effect.
People who ask for art didn’t do the art. Wretch, you have merely stated a request. Worse, you have spoken your desires to a demon, and now you proudly display its gift as your own work.
This!
It’s just a commission.
It’s just disappointing how few people are literate with standard occult practices. Never summon anything more powerful than you, never tell your innermost thoughts and desires to a demon, and if you are that stupid don’t brag about it. Real JV league demonology.
- So really it should be “[work description] by [Dali-2], commissioned by [Name]”
- It should not be. But yes.
Cool post but how is this a shitpost
Cause its not a very important post and its mostly just me bitching lol. Almost posted to one of the conversation subs but figured it fit here as well.
It takes less effort to post a single paragraph of ranting than it does to edit the text on a meme image. In a way, this is a shittier shitpost than most.
Cause its shit
It just is.
Counter argument for the sake of education, go try to recreate his picture using Stable Diffusion. Let me know how easy it is.
I don’t really get how this is a counter point. I don’t think anyone is contending that the pictures produced are reproducible by the same means. They’re contending that the method of production isn’t “making” art and they aren’t an artist for starting the production process.
It’s sort of like when rich people go to space and call themselves an astronaut. People have an idea of what an astronaut does and it isn’t just “space tourist.” If you fired back with “you try spending that much money and see how easy it is” then that wouldn’t answer the point of why people don’t want to call space tourists “astronauts.”
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Please stop calling it art. A generated image is not art.
That painter didn’t make the painting, the brush did, he just dunked it into some color and pushed it around. Probably didn’t even grind his own pigment…
That analogy would make sense…
If the paintbrush moved on its own.
Then it’s pendulum art.
Nah, you just asked the pendulum to do it 😁
jk
So there is this feature where you can focus the AI on a specific file when generating responses. If that file contains only your own digital art, is the AI art produced yours? Not saying that’s what you found, but maybe there is some nuance to AI art creation.
proompter
Slopper.
“Wow this guy’s portraits are really good!”
“Nah he’s just a slopper”
AI genner, lol.
