• Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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    They’ve been out of the news headlines for a bit with the zelenski shenanigans, a perfect time to crawl back from uder their rock and again be their usual self, violent hateful racist inhuman scum.

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      Im starting to think this brazen activity is all because the powers that be, are trying to goad the public into a reaction that will justify their permanent seizure of power, martial law

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    If someone broke into your home and destroyed all the food, and blockaded you from leaving or anything from getting in, wouldn’t it be obvious they were trying to kill you?

    So how could this not be an intentional act of genocide? And now we have Trump they will be cheered on if anything

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      And now we have Trump they will be cheered on if anything

      They were cheered on before Trump too

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        I think the recent lesson the democrats have had about “hard tone” probably would’ve come in handy on Israel negotiations too. Rather than being a fan of murdering kids, I’m guessing Biden very much took a standpoint of “not wanting to upset too many people” when asking them not to bomb hospitals.

        For one cause or another, the democratic party needs to find its righteous anger. It needs to risk more possibilities of people shouting back “Hey, you can’t say that!”

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            I’ll remove my downvote on you if you can show me evidence of the United States (not Israel) piloting bombers against Israel’s enemies, and blocking international interventions, as you claim. Though Israel has done terrible things, the basic principle of subject-verb-predicate interpretation of those statements does not sound at all correct.

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          and privately supported

          we openly sent over thousands of MK84 2,000lb bombs that have used to kill thousands of civilians. not really private to be honest

          hell, right after Oct 7 Biden personally made the trip over to Israel to bend the knee on live TV

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            Yeah I know. “Privately” should probably have been “quietly.” Of course you may say it wasn’t quiet, sure, but I think the meaning is clear. Telling them off with the right hand while the left is busy dropping more weapons into their lap. Just enough deniability for anyone who insists the democrats do nothing wrong.

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              yeah well said. and while there probably isn’t much of a difference to the people getting rained on with bullets and bombs… i think there is a fundamental ideological difference between at least pretending like you care.

              we’ve reached the point where the executive is so powerful he doesn’t feel the nice to put the mask on. it’s a blatant and almost ostentatious use of power.

              i think one thing he said in the 2016 election cycle was so spot on.

              “I have the most loyal people – did you ever see that?” “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” “It’s, like, incredible.”

              Trump says and does ridiculous things (did you see that Gaza AI video?) that have no coherence because he understands his power lies in the chaos. one day he says one thing, one day he says another. ukraine and US will make a good deal one day, zelensky’s a dictator the next day, zelensky’s a good leader one day, and then zelensky’s disrespectful the next, etc etc

              it’s sort of like when Stalin would go through one of his purges. He would have a long list of names on a paper and he would look through him. Every once in a while, for no apparent reason, he would cross a name off the list. He was reminding everyone that his power was absolute and he could arbitrarily choose to end you or spare you.

              Trump is toying with this same type of arbitrarily derived chaos but instead of it being occasional he seems to be embracing it as his source of power. everyone (both his opposers and his appeasers like rubio) get their nerves frayed. you don’t know what’s coming next. who is next on the chopping block. the truth is slowly dissolving until it’s meaningless

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      They know it is a genocide, they don’t care because they fell for the lies that all Palestinians are Hamas. They don’t call it a genocide because it would make them feel in the wrong, but they believe it is justified to kill every Hamas person. Even if that means they are an Israeli person in Florida who clearly was never part of Hamas, but they thought might look like a Palestinian.

  • One day — if there is any justice left in this world — Israel will be swept into the dustbin of history, just like e.g. the Third Reich, Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa before it

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    Well TBF to western news:

    • He tweeted this 16 hours ago
    • These people say and do shit like this pretty much every day
    • Western Media has a lot of shit to cover in their own countries atm
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      Lol, imagine if a high ranking PA official (not even Hamas) were to say something like this. The UN Security Council would be passing a resolution condemning him.

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        Hey man, my heart sides with Palestine, but Hamas officials absolutely do say that shit every day of the week.

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      Yep. At this point just throw it on the “more evidence for genocide” pile. Israel could start up trains and ovens and I’d just say, “Yeah. Figures.”

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      Palestinians, to the average Zionist aren’t human. They range from animals to demons, depending on whichever fulfills the fascist propaganda needs at the time.

      Closing off Gaza is closing the gates of hell, keeping in the demons and making sure they stay there while gods holy soldiers kill them.

      This type of thinking is common is Israel, and why the state of Israel is beyond redemption at this stage in history. The Nazis won there.

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      Yea! I was told that the genocide was single-handedly Biden’s fault and then single-handedly Kamala’s fault and that’s why we couldn’t vote for them! It’s a good thing we didnt too. It was important to send a message to the Democrats that we think genocide as bad. And what better way to send that message than to elect someone who pushes even harder for it?!

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      Why are Democrats so obsessed with gaslighting people into Genocide Joe not doing the same stuff?

      Israel killed American World Food Kitchen employees to starve Palestinians and got away with it under Genocide Joe.

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        The point is that this same thing was going to happen regardless, but now we have Israel being shit AND everything else that has come along with a Trump admin.

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          Why did it have to fucking happen regardless though?

          I mean I’m fucking tired of democrat supporting Americans being so fucking fatalistic about Biden policies.

          It did not have to fucking happen. Biden could have pulled the plug from Israel’s war before the us election cycle started. But he didn’t. Why are you so fucking fatalistic that oh there is no way this could not have happened? Or to rephrase that, if you are so fatalistic about that, well you’ve already given up on democracy, so why do you complain about Maga fascism anyway?

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            I wasn’t sold it it had to be that way no matter who was at the desk. I’ve bitched about Israel long before this round came up. Every time they would get a few old rockets landing a field somewhere it’s used as an excuse to go and level everything and everyone in reach, which is bullshit.

            HOWEVER, when it comes to a place of accept the bullshit as is, and knowing that there is NO chance a 3rd party is going to get anywhere given the current system, or make it several orders worse by letting in someone who has said outright ‘let them finish the job’, along with all the other insanity coming from him daily the right choice is clear as can be.

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              Did I mention the presidential election? I’m harping on the push back against calling your previous president “genocide Joe”. You had a terrible choice to make between a Maga radical fascist and an imperialist genocide enabler. You personally made that terrible choice in a way that I would probably also go if I were American. But for goodness sake, the fact that the alternative was… Trump doesn’t absolve in the least Biden from the genocide he enabled.

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                What I push back on was that there was/are a sizable part of society that deemed disengagement an appropriate response. With the cultish temperament of the maga crowd they are going to show up and support their prophet regardless. This means that everyone who decides they can’t vote ‘for’ genocide and blame the existing admin, means that it’s that much less opposing a second person at the helm who would make things far worse.

                It’s pretty well the classic trolly problem. In this case though the passive non-response harms more people, while the active intervention harms fewer. People want to argue that by taking an action they aided in the harm of those fewer people, but wash their hands of the worse outcome because they kept their hands off.

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                  I get that. You can just as well focus your blame game on the Democratic party and demand reform on their end. My impression is that that’s a more productive way of going forward, because reforming the attitudes of the electorate is a much harder proposition.

                  Ps. I’m not downvoting you btw.

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          And if the Democrats had actually tried to win against Trump they would have listened to what the vast majority of their constituents wanted (plus you know, international and domestic law) and implemented an Arms Embargo. They should have started the ceasefire many months earlier instead of continuing to support the genocide unconditionally, fracturing their base when they needed as many votes as possible to win against fascism.

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            They actually held a primary election to find out what their constituents wanted and… oh look, after winning the primaries with 14 million votes Joe Biden stepped down for his VP to take his spot on the ticket.

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          If only more people pressured Democrats to change their position instead of caving and falling in line. Then they would at least have a moral high ground to stand on if they lost.