Yikes, I got a tough one.
“Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.”
— Mark 16:6
A vacation to Jerusalem?
I was actually asked to leave my parents church because I was loudly arguing with the guy running a gift shop that if I were to follow Jesus, I should be flipping these tables, chasing them with whips, and damming them for turning gods house into a place of business occupied by thieves.
I guess they DON’T like considering what Jesus would do.
Gift shop… In a church… The Bars so low it’s cracking the pavement.
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No they fucking don’t.
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I live in Australia and this has been a thing in every pentecostal church I’ve been to.
This happens at churches of enough historical significance they become regular tourist attractions.
So I’m in Canada and have never seen in a church but I have in a synagogue which made me chuckle because damn is it on point lol
So like, there was a church near where my grandma lives. Big super-church.
Has a fucking Starbucks in it.
So, the question I have, is where do the proceeds go, and how much is that guy making off it?
If the money for the merch goes to, say, feeding the homeless or even just the church’s general budget, I see it as a fundraiser, and not particularly offensive.
If the dude is pocketing the profits…. Yeah, fuck that dude.
The person at the desk is almost certainly a brainwashed unpaid volunteer. The owner, on the other hand…
Wasn’t Jesus just some snotty god’s bastard that god doesn’t even move a finger to save from death? I suppose his opinions are irrelevant. God is the boss. And god loves money.
Well, if your catholic. Jesus IS God. Just to make a stupid story even more stupid.
A lot of protestants are into the trinity thing too.
I was not aware!
They’d just take this as evidence of institutionalized persecution against Christians
Oh come on. Most of the bible is boring stuff.
Isn’t the old testament more hardcore than the new one ? Jewish roulette would seem more risky than christian roulette
I mean, obviously Jesus would get arrested by modern “christians” for being a “leftist hippie commie”
Seeing as they claim Jesus amd Yahweh are one in the same you can’t just ignore the OT. All the condoning slavery, taking child sacrifice as payment, stoning women who don’t bleed on their wedding night… that is all part of the Christian god.
The OT is in the Christian Bible because they can’t ignore it, and shouldn’t ignore it. But that doesn’t mean following.
An eye for an eye is incompatible with turning the other cheek.
Slavery is entirely a human creation, neither the Bible nor the Torah tells believers to enslave other people but what is says, all from the OT to the NT, is “give to Caesar what’s his and give to God what’s His”, I know it sucks but it’s not that different from Stoic teachings, that’s why Catholics (and other Christians) belief that suffering makes them closer to God.
Edit.
There is a huge debate in Christendom about the meaning of “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Some believe the OT rules stand, some believe that they don’t. Catholics are taught the OT like kids learn history in school.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
Whaaaaaaaa…?? “A human creation?” You can’t have it both ways. Either the Bible is the word of God, or it’s ALL “a human creation”. But allowing for the sake of discussion that God exists, etc, the NT endorses slavery, discusses how to practice it morally, and says nothing to oppose it. The Christian god thinks it’s okay for humans to own humans, according to both the OT and the NT; no different than owning a house or livestock.
What? God gave humans free will. God didn’t made slavery, didn’t made money, or democracy, didn’t made wars. Basically He created the world as it was during paradise and the rest is our creation.
Although I would argue Angels are like slaves but that’s not exactly the point of this and at least one rebelled so I don’t know to what point they are or were slaves.
So all Jesus had to do was say, “hey guys don’t own other humans” and yet he didn’t? Instead he actually condoned slavery? And his followers went on for decades after his death preaching for slaves to obey their masters?
Real cool guy.
Haha no, god explicitly commanded slavery on multiple different instances. That’s irrelevant though, as god is the one who created everything knowing how it would turn out with full ability to prevent it, making it 100% his fault. For example:
When God supposedly created Adam and Eve, he had perfect foreknowledge that they would eat from the tree and cause the bullshit that is the fall and original sin. And yet, he still put the tree there. He still put the serpent there. He still gave them access to the tree. He could have chosen not to let any of these things happen, but he didn’t.
When a toddler swallows a bottle of poison you’ve left on the floor, whose fault is it? (Hint: it’s not the toddler’s, and it’s certainly not the toddler’s future great great great great great grandchildren’s)
Christians never have a reply to this. Actually no… I’ve seen some of them literally say that slavery is fine after having this discussion.
Nah you just don’t get it, slavery is fine when god commands it because he created us and might makes right, obviously. /s
Yeah, I will occasionally throw call-in shows like the atheist experience on as background noise while I do things. I’ve heard my share of terrible takes on why slavery on the bible is actually a good thing.
God commanded his followers to enslave people multiple times. Here is an introductory article on the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
You’re heading towards the problem of evil and determinism. Those topics are way to big for a casual post like this and have been argued for and against for a very long time. I don’t this you’ll be able to convince anyone of anything here.
I am not here to convince anyone, just sharing my opinion and reading other’s opinion.
There is an entire set of laws on how to properly own and beat one’s slaves so your comment is just flat out wrong and sounds like it’s from some bad excusegist.
If you study the actual language and historical context then most of the OT was supposed to be followed by Christians. The issue came later debating between the two churches decades after Jesus’ death.
Amd the eye for an eye vs turn your cheek are about two very different things and are very much compatible.
Sadly most Catholics are taught from an apologetic point of view rather than a historical literary understanding. Poor translations a d church doctrine causes many important parts to be grossly bastardized.
Turning the other cheek isn’t incompatible with eye-for-an-eye.
The principle behind eye for an eye justice is that the sentence must fit the crime, instead of brutally excessive. Like cutting off people’s hand for stealing a loaf of bread.
Turning the other cheek doesn’t negate the law, it forgives the consequences of that law. It says “hey, I see you’re starving, here’s a second loaf.”
Incidentally, a man who is starving and the merchant not giving him bread was murder. But details.
Another way of saying it, is that Jesus simplified the law. Because they were too dumb to follow the first ten, Christ gave a simpler set of two:
Love god. Love your neighbor.
This doesn’t negate the 10, but encompasses them.
Edit: to the point about slavery, exodus 21… all sorts of beautiful laws. Like, Hebrew women who are slaves don’t get to go free in the sixth year… and clearly being okay with dudes selling their daughters into slavery.
Slavery is not just in the OT. I guess “neighbors” don’t include the people that you own.
It’s so weird how the last few years, Christians act like the OT has nothing to do with them.
It’s not just the last couple years. Things have been taught that way by the Catholic Church for decades.
Centuries even!
Last few years? That’s been going on for 16-1700 years.
The Torah is certainly bad, but the New Testament has its fair share of problematic verses too
Eg
Mathew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Mark 7:24 - 28
Jesus left that place and went to the region of Tyre. Not wanting anyone to know He was there, He entered a house, but was unable to escape their notice. Instead, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit soon heard about Jesus, and she came and fell at His feet. Now she was a Greek woman of Syrophoenician origin, and she kept asking Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
“First let the children have their fill,” He said. “For it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.”
The first one is pretty obviously meant as a metaphor, hardly problematic. The second one is too obscure for me to even figure out what they’re trying to say, let alone figure out if it problematic or not.
The second passage is pretty well established as a joke that NT writers thought was an amazing burn. The “dogs” are the Pharisees, IIRC.
The “dogs” are the Canaanites. There’s lots good to be said about the character of Jesus, but this verse is straight-up nationalist.
The point of that story is that the woman is right. He does heal her, and is like “dang, even this Canaanite woman believe in me more than y’all do.”
It’s a great story, because the point is that Jesus is wrong and being a dick, and gets called out for it.
Merci! And yes, it is.
Oh I don’t doubt they exist. Just haven’t seen before.
Let’s industrialize this particular potential blasphemy.
https://dailyverses.net/random-bible-verse
Ed: > Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.
Mark 11:23
Hey at least I’m not going to prison.
This one claims to be truly random, I suspect yours is rigged to be more positive.
https://searchthebible.com/truly_random_bible_verse.php
Example:
3: And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4: And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
6: At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
7: The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Prison it is.
The first ten verses I pulled were innocuous. “God is pretty cool, actually” -type stuff.
It would not surprise me if it’s rigged to be upbeat.
Get wisdom, get understanding; do not forget my words or turn away from them.
do not forget my words or turn away from them
Yeah, prison
Again with the begatting!
that’s a lot of sex
gawd damn son…
I got Law-ception
“All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.”
Just… go to jail… or don’t… I don’t know…
This is the kind of shit that people who have never read a fucking book before see and think, “whoa, that’s so deep.”
“Not the goats again!”
I think I can own a Canadian legally now, though. Get a pardon for trying, anyway.
opens bible. Points at random verse. Ezekiel 23:20.
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I used https://randombible.org/ but it seems like the bible is just a series of random stories that make no sense.
How wild would it be if you actually met an all-powerful entity who created the entire universe. You ask it for some knowledge, and it tells you about the time it got mad at a tree for not producing figs
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+11%3A12-25&version=NIV
IT WASN’T EVEN FIG SEASON, JESUS!
So, there is at least one point that makes this make sense and maybe a second if I am reading it correctly. Would you care to hear it out? Or would you not be interested in hearing more? (Hopefully I remember to check back here. I have 0 clue what not-google google has to say about this tbh)
Nah not if it’s gonna be some tenuous metaphor, but thanks for asking instead of trying to convert people in the atheism community!
I’m working on my salting with fire technique but not much progress yet.
