Summary
A father whose unvaccinated six-year-old daughter became the first U.S. measles death in 10 years remains steadfast in his anti-vaccine beliefs.
The Mennonite man from Seminole, Texas told The Atlantic, “The vaccination has stuff we don’t trust,” maintaining that measles is normal despite its near-eradication through vaccination.
His stance echoes claims by HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr., who initially downplayed the current North American outbreak before changing his position under scrutiny.
Despite his daughter’s death, the father stated, “Everybody has to die.”
Dude has to cope this hard to justify how he and his family killed their daughter.
What a fucking idiot. He should be locked up for murder.
He seems quite content with his daughter dying as long as he doesn’t get tricked by the vaccine crowd. What a winner.
Well you see, the injection is Covid 5G and she would have had superpowers
Who are we kidding, this is straight up negligent murder
Translation: my beliefs mean more to me than my dead child ever could.
He can contort himself with the knowledge that he actually pulled off the sacrifice of Abraham.
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Yep. It happened to me. My mother literally told me “I’ll forgive you if blah blah church and Jesus” I forget the rest, it was like 25ish years ago.
Believing in a God that even threatens your child with eternal torture… and still willingly worshipping him without qualms… Pretty much says it all.
It comes from a selfish mindset. Yes, you’re threatened, but you’re also promised with reward. It becomes a deviously simple equation at that point.
It’s the same as being mugged in a dark alley against a wall. If you believe there’s no escape, do you acquiesce despite not wanting to give money to a robber, or do you try to fight back and get shot?
I’d totally get shot. Hell, I’ll hold the gun steady for him.
everybody has to die >
But not that young and not from a preventable disease.
He does not deserve to have kids.
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Despite his daughter’s death, the father stated, “Everybody has to die.”
Jesus, I can’t imagine being so into cult beliefs that I would have that attitude about my own kids, and actively work to make it happen sooner to boot.
I mean sure, we all will die, but it goes against the most basic biological imperative of all living things to make sure their kids outlive them. Must be some strong Koolaid. Dude needs to fuck off with that Jonestown-isque mindset.
I mean, in Judeo-Christian tradition, there’s the story of Abraham willingly sacrificing his son to Yahweh until Yahweh stops him last-second. This kind of behavior is explicitly taught: nothing is more important than sky-daddy’s whims.
yeah, it’s almost like theistic religions are a stupid idea :D
This shit ought to be considered negligence and reason to at least remove any other kids from the home. Poor six year old was failed by her family and the state.
Should be up on manslaughter charges. What the hell man.
Sadly now that she’s dead he has no choice but to defend his stance, because admitting the truth would mean being left with the knowledge that he killed his own daughter.
This is a big and good point. So how do we prevent this unrecoverable situation?
Make sure he doesn’t procreate again. Lol
“Stuff in it that we don’t trust.”
Better to be dead than injected with chemicals that might make you autistic? Gay? A liberal? What could possibly be in the vaccines that would be worse than your child no longer existing?
As a parent, I am so angry. How can you look at your child and be more afraid of the lesser outcomes (not that they even exist, but still) and choose death? What a failure of the parents. And shame on every single person in the media that let this bullshit spiral out of control. That poor girl.
What could possibly be in the vaccines that would be worse than your child no longer existing?
The article says the man is a Mennonite, which means he probably believes in an afterlife. In his mind his child still exists and he’ll get to see her again when he passes and spends eternity there.
I pretty firmly believe that afterlife beliefs account for a pretty significant distortion of values in people and helps explain a large number of frankly insane behaviours. Preventing deaths becomes much less important when there’s an eternal paradise waiting for you and the “real” risk is doing something that bars you from going there.
The fuck
He’s Mennonite. They don’t believe in any English medicine/science. If someone dies, it’s God’s will.
I’ll never understand the position. If a deadly disease is God’s will, then so is the vaccine which prevents it.
Mennonites have no problem using blades to cut their hair, wearing glasses when their vision is faulty, or using soap after wiping their ass. Why are they against medicine?
Because they don’t like it, and like all religious groups… if They don’t like it, then its against gods will. And if they like it, then it is gods will.
Which is why god hates vaccines, but loves child rape and wife beating, at least for these Amish-type religious communities. (and probably most of the republican party…)
It’s because you can’t control doctors.
The leaders of their community can control everything, except doctors who follow their own rules.
Rather have children die than anyone who could defy them.
“It’s easier to fool a man than to convince him he’d been fooled.” - Mark Twain
There are many kinds of Mennonites. Most that I know are pretty scientific and well-educated.
Most that I know are pretty scientific and well-educated.
Then why are they mennonites?
I think this question could be interpreted in many ways, but typically education is correlated with more religious participation.
For Mennonites specifically, education is one of their core values. They also did a study on what matters most to their members that you can check if you’re interested: https://www.mennoniteusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MC-USA-Report-FN-compressed-1.pdf
Personally, I think a lot of their belief system and activism efforts just make sense and appeal based on their own merits.
For Mennonites specifically, education is one of their core values.
Then why are they anti-vaxxers?
Unpopular opinion: I actually respect this. It’s a personal decision not put upon anyone else, has nothing to do with political mis/disinformation, and is entirely consistent with the rest of their beliefs.
I don’t have to agree with them to respect how they choose to live their lives. Especially if they will keep their kids in seclusion if displaying symptoms and wear masks themselves when coming into town.
Maybe they’ll die, but that’s not my call to make, nor can I force them to live my way (nor do I want to).
Your premise is faulty. The dead child had their personal decision made for them. Its one thing to deny yourself medical care, its another thing entirely to deny a child medical care.
yeah the kid 100% had their dumbass parent’s decision ‘put upon’ them…how this is anything other than child abuse/manslaughter is beyond me - whether they’re in a fringe religious group or not, they are still killing people that didn’t have a real say in that outcome.
Do, ingest or smoke whatever the hell you want. Bring a kid into it and that’s a whole different ballgame. PD tends to get involved, for better or worse
It’s a personal decision not put upon anyone else
Except the dead kid
Yes there is that. It’s a tricky one too bc likely if you were to ask the kid, they would consent to whatever the family says to do. On the other hand, it’s definitely not “informed consent”.
Then again, I choose not to become thought police, so long as the parents themselves give informed consent. The alternative would be to take the child away from their parents, which is also a bad outcome.
Like I said, it’s “tricky”.
Strong disagree. I’m not talking about thought policing, I’m talking about punishing actual decisions that directly lead to the death of a child. People can think and say what they want about vaccines. But when their decision to not get their kid vaccinated directly leads to that kid’s death, that crime leaves the realm of thought.
We as a society don’t hesitate to take children away from parents who beat them, or punish parents who kill them by a malnutrition, and we go rabid over hot cars. These aren’t thought crimes, they are physical actions that physically harm children, and they deserve punishment.
I’m not into being supportive of people that want to live in the 1500s for dumb reasons.
1500’s? The measles vaccine was first developed in 1963. The MMR vaccine came out in 1971.
I’m sorry your struggling with my statement. Do you need help figuring out how >before< works?
what do you mean “not put on anyone else”? you think if it’s a personal decision the disease they catch becomes respectful and tries not to infect vulnerable people around them? yes it is put upon everyone else.
and that’s for adults. in this case the decision was put upon the poor little girl who needed them to shield her from the most basic preventable ailments. what other personal decision would you respect? “yeah she ran around with that kitchen knife but we decided not to interfere with god’s will.” wow parents, at least she only hurt herself with that knife, good job on not stabbing other children with it.
Except herd immunity is actually important.
These people tend to live apart from society. And I did say:
Especially if they will keep their kids in seclusion if displaying symptoms and wear masks themselves when coming into town.
To address that exact issue.
Perhaps you meant within their own society, but that’s different bc it is consensual. I am not about to force others to share my viewpoints, so long as they likewise respect mine.
big difference between Mennonites and the Amish I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of
It depends on their sect. The ones that are around where my grandparents used to live did not believe in science or technology. Seemed a lot like the Amish, but definitely were not.
“The vaccination has stuff we don’t trust”
I would bet money this man could not name a single ingredient in a measles vaccine.
This is why he doesn’t trust it I guess
What about Big Mac ingredients?
There’s a song about Big Mac ingredients. No song about vaccine ingredients!
Is it a: patty, beef, and salad song or do they list all the 70+ ingredients?
Aluminum and 5G, probably.
Just fuckin chuggin that koolaid
Is this a case of total brainwash, or just a case of a parent who didn’t want his kid? Measles seems like a socially acceptable form of post-birth abortion today.
He’s a Mennonite, pretty sure they’ve been opposed to what basically counts as modern medicine for a long time. The Old Order ones live similar to the Amish.
I suppose doubling down on being an utter useless fool is still easier on the ego than owning up to having negligently murdered your own daughter.
So he’s a coward too. Lovely.
