Prague shooting latest: Prague university shooter killed father before gunning down 15
www.telegraph.co.uk
A student killed his father before gunning down at least 15 others at a Prague university, Czech authorities said, adding the gunman had also been “eliminated”.
  • naught@sh.itjust.works
    109·
    11 months ago

    It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.

    🧐

      • Borovicka@lemm.ee
        25·
        11 months ago

        Switzerland also has heavily regulated ammunition. You can’t just go to the store and buy some bullets, like in Czechia

            • Veneroso@lemmy.world
              12·
              11 months ago

              If you follow the constitution, the right to bear arms is for a well regulated militia. Not for a stressed 18 year old buying an AR-15 at Walmart to shoot up rioters from another state.

              • SupraMario@lemmy.world
                2·
                11 months ago

                Yes totally forgot about that the people part…go read some federalist papers and a few history books the 2nd is for the people not the militia.

                • Veneroso@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  11 months ago

                  Hey don’t cry about unborn babies but be pro school shootings there bud. The founders had single shot musket rifles not semi automatic rifles. If you want to be constructionist then ban the sale of anything other than breach loaders with separate shell and powder charge and have a good day.

              • frezik@midwest.social
                1·
                11 months ago

                You might not like where that logic goes. The Supreme Court took a stance in United States v. Miller (1939) that the NFA’s provisions on short barreled shotguns could be enforced on the basis that it’s not a weapon that would be used by a well-regulated militia.

                That brings us to a conclusion that literally nobody likes. The government could ban shorty shotguns and .22 rimfire, because those aren’t militia weapons. It could not ban fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers.

                • Veneroso@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  11 months ago

                  We have to come up with something. I am a gun owner. There are legitimate uses for them. But a rifle marksman course requirement? Gun safety classes? 30 day waiting period? Mental health screening? Accountability if you buy it for someone else who uses it to commit violence? Anything?

                  Something has to stop the senseless violence.

                  I know that it won’t stop it.

                  People in Brittain use knives… Acid in the middle east.

                  The difference there is that the harm is limited to a few people and not these mass casualty events.

            • Butt Pirate@reddthat.com
              8·
              11 months ago

              I wish they’d bring back the draft. Draft men and women over the age of 18 for like two years; it doesn’t need to be for combat roles either. You get job training, you learn self-discipline, how to work in a team, really a lot of life skills. And then when your enlistment is up, you get training on how to find a job, how to write a resume, how to pass an interview, you get to use the GI bill and (in my hypothetical scenario) would keep Tricare. And more people would care about where and when we deploy our military, because they actually have a stake in it now.

            • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
              3·
              11 months ago

              The only way someone should be allowed to own a gun is after rigorous training, like in the military.

              Only then do you have “good guy with a gun”

            • Veneroso@lemmy.world
              1·
              11 months ago

              If people learned how to defend themselves and then also everyone knew how to use them suddenly gun culture changes and it’s like a tool instead of a status symbol. If you don’t want to serve, there are non-combat roles. If you don’t like it then hey maybe you should invent bullet proof kids.

          • breakfastburrito@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            11 months ago

            Mandatory conscription is probably my most “out there” political belief. I think the benefits would be vast! I don’t think it would prevent mass shootings in America, though.

            • Veneroso@lemmy.world
              2·
              11 months ago

              Conscription doesn’t mean war. It means being prepared. And yes maybe we could be more prepared to deal with this stupidity and remove the gun culture if it wasn’t special anymore.

              • breakfastburrito@sh.itjust.works
                2·
                11 months ago

                I think one of the benefits would be less war since every citizen would be personally affected by it. Also all the public works and infrastructure. And healthcare. It could be great! Maybe it would help with all the “lonely men” culture that we hear so much about, and likely plays into some of the gun culture. I guess we’ll never know since that won’t happen here, though.

  • not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world
    67·
    11 months ago

    I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don’t care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.

    • RandomPancake@lemmy.worldEnglish
      45·
      11 months ago

      We don’t often talk about this in the limelight, but it’s important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.

        • Chr0nos1@lemmy.world
          5·
          11 months ago

          From the article:

          Police said the gunman was inspired by “a terrible event abroad”. In one post, he cited a 14-year-old Russian school shooter who killed one classmate and wounded five others as an inspiration.>

  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
    50·
    11 months ago

    From the article:

    Czech media reported that Kozak authored social media posts in which he indulged in fantasies of suicide and mass murders in the days before the attacks.

    I don’t want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone’s posting “I wanna do a mass shooting” something should happen. I don’t want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.

      • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
        13·
        11 months ago

        I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.

        One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman’s phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, “Someone should probably do something… but who? And what?”

        If I had called the police, it’s incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren’t white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn’t do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.

        In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

        But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.

        Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.

        • SCB@lemmy.world
          11·
          11 months ago

          In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.

          As a teacher, I had to do home visits for every student in my homeroom. Two families threatened to kill me. One by siccing their dogs on me, the other by just shooting me. The entire purpose of my visit was just to meet them and let them know I care about their kids

          What do you do when these de-escalation specialists go to talk to a person who is crazy-posting, and have their lives threatened?

          I don’t ask this facetiously. I think this is a good idea. But these workers will run into situations like this, and more to the point, opponents of these programs will definitely bring this sort of thing up when trying to sway public opinion.

          I legit don’t have an answer.

      • frezik@midwest.social
        3·
        11 months ago

        Some of the earliest modern police forces in the US were slave patrols in the south. In the north, Boston was the first city to have a modern professional force. It grew out of a system where private companies were hiring their own security to protect their cargo in the Boston port, and offloaded that cost onto the public.

        Professional, publicly funded policing in the US has long been there to protect the interests of the powerful.

      • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
        6·
        11 months ago

        That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there’s also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder

        • dubyakay@lemmy.ca
          4·
          11 months ago

          Yes. The solution is not to curb netneutrality and online discourse though. But to have a better social net and family support that can catch individuals like these or prevent them completely.

          And Czehia has or had these. Which is why the rate of mass shootings, with a country that actually allows people to own guns, is much lower than in the country where that has virtually no support and more lax gun laws.

      • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        If this was sort of generalized, we sell bumper stickers like that. There’s a post on active with one.

    • KrankyKong@lemmy.world
      13·
      11 months ago

      Love the innovation! It’s not easy making everything about America, but by god people always find a way!

      • Bennettiquette@lemmy.world
        7·
        11 months ago

        tbh america and domestic mass shootings are pretty much synonymous at this point. this time (this one rare time) an immediate association with the us seems appropriate.

  • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
    9·
    11 months ago

    My condolences to the families.

    Hope they’ll figure out how to never make it happen again.

    And yes, for God’s sake, ban firearms.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
        4·
        11 months ago

        That this is an outlier for the Czech Republic does rather point to the fact that the American domestic terrorists are primarily a cultural problem.

        And we do love exporting our culture.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
      42·
      11 months ago

      There’s one every few years in almost every country.

      The difference is it’s not a mass shooting per week… This doesn’t help your argument as much as you think it does.

      Edit: also the joke is most developed countries are allowed to own guns to some extent, a total ban is only what your side tells you to keep your support.

    • DBT@lemmy.world
      26·
      11 months ago

      Well that’s why it’s actually news worthy… in the US it would just be another normal day.

      • Lesrid@lemm.ee
        4·
        11 months ago

        You could say liberal gun laws but that would have confused them so I thank you for your word choice

        • stoy@lemmy.zip
          2·
          11 months ago

          I actually wrote “good” first, but then I realized that left way too much to interpretation, and quickly changed it to “permissive”, “liberal” never entered my train of thought.

    • thefartographer@lemm.ee
      11·
      11 months ago

      Here’s your spoonfed quote literally pulled from the article to go with your dipshit comment.

      Czech Republic has some of the most liberal gun laws in Europe. There are more than 800,000 firearms of all categories registered among 300,000 gun permit holders in the country, which has a population of about 10.5 million people, writes Ella Nunn.

      It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.

      Concealed-carry permits for self-defence can be obtained by Czech citizens without presenting specific reasons and recreational shooting is one of the most popular sports in the country.

      I’m sure if you had the patience, literacy, and weren’t currently struggling with your mental capacity to make it this far down my comment to read this much, you’d probably feel a bit like an asshole to try to make this nightmarish story into your opportunity to talk about needing more guns on the street. Alas, I’m currently speaking into the void cuz your head is likely still buried just far enough up your own ass for you to enjoy the smell of your own farts while searching for your next astounding comment. The people you hear crying aren’t the ones you triggered with your unhinged comment, it’s the sound of everyone who cares about you. We’re all really concerned about you and are worried you’d suffocate were it not for how much you laugh at your own heartless comments.

    • Heresy_generator@kbin.social
      10·
      11 months ago

      I don’t know why you thought that. They’re not.

      Gun laws in the Czech Republic in many respects differ from those in other European Union member states. The “right to acquire, keep and bear firearms” is explicitly recognized in the first Article of the Firearms Act. At the constitutional level, the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms includes the “right to defend one’s own life or life of another person also with arms under conditions stipulated by law”.

      • Dark Arc@social.packetloss.ggEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        I really wish we could get actual apples to apples “mass shooting” comparisons. Everything from the site you linked to Wikipedia has been restructured to help make the argument that the US has tons of “mass shootings.”

        Take this entry near me from that list you linked https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/12/04/cleveland-police-more-than-dozen-people-shot-several-stabbed-over-weekend/

        The 4 people shot, there’s no context as to whether that was random, gang violence, stray bullets in a conflict, etc. This sort of thing almost definitely happens outside of the US, e.g., https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisakim/2021/10/22/swedens-brutal-gang-problem-heres-what-officials-blame-it-on/?sh=6bb1d29fa281

        In this particular case it’s something that happened at 3 in the morning outside of a bar… Gang or not it was probably more drunken brawl where someone pulled a gun and things went bad fast.

        That’s pretty different from some person going to a university, a school, a public event, and unloading on anyone they see with intent to inflict as many casualties as possible on someone that they’ve never even spoken a word to … which is what I remember a “mass shooting” meaning up until recently. And that shit doesn’t happen 23 times in a single month. It happens a few times a year which given the size of the US is much more comparable (granted I think still elevated) when compared to European mass shootings.