• justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary

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      That’s just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.

      Once you’re quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.

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      You joke but in astronomy there are only three elements. Hydrogen, helium, and metal. Which is just every other element together in one group.

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      Define “all the other numbers”. Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?

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    Feel like there’s a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.

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      There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play …and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals…

      …so non-binary doesn’t necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.

      A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.

      …queer.

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        Asexuality isn’t a gender. We’re just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.

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      And don’t talk to me. I’d rather be surrounded by twelve “women” (i.e. trans men) in the men’s room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.

      I’m not there to make friends.

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    If there already exists “a binary” then that says there are 2 states. “Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren’t only exactly 2 of them.

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      “Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.

      The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.

      Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.

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      I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.

      A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.

      Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these “sideways” arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I’m sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.

      Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️

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        The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.

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      I’m considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and “male and female” are mental illnesses caused by the original sin 😔

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      That’s so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn’t aggressive. It’s just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.

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        I think it’s just the term. “Binary” isn’t exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn’t really care.

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          Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) don’t really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?

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            It seems a bit silly to criticise a group … based on their gender preference

            Like, didn’t I just say that it’s the vibe of the word that I don’t like? Therefore either

            1. I am not criticizing any specific people at all because I’m just talking about how we use words; OR
            2. I am criticizing some people for their taste of words

            and not what you say at all IMO

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          so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?

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            Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.

            There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary’s pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it’s easier to work into a professional setting or something.

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                I just mean this whole premise. The idea that being nonbinary is its own binary. It’s a categorically different comparison. The “binaries” OP sets up are a:b versus (a+b):c, when really it should be a+b+c+d etc.

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                  The comment you were replying to wasn’t about the image in the op though. It was a discussion about someone not liking people who do not identify as man or woman referring to themselves as non-binary.

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          yeah, that’s understandable. i’d never thought about it that way before.

          personally i use enby as a way to say that i am in the middle / don’t really care.

          i think the issue comes from the fact that saying non-binary means specifically non-{man,woman}. whereas i’ve always interpreted it as just non-“specific gender”.

          to me it’s the etc. of gender labels, but i realise that not everyone that i think it describes would want to identify with it.

          (and that means it becomes it’s own label, and now we have to figure out what to call everyone_else all over again. (maybe the whole idea of gender labels was rigged from the start))

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        I’m not sure what you are trying to say

        They are asking you… You are asking them…

        Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?

        Language has changed … silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724

        Ya and I was commenting on how I don’t like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?

        In addition, many were mutilated as newborns

        This sounds like a horror story. What?

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      I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic

      I dunno if there is much “we” inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap… There’s a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.

      Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don’t really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend’s mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked “Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?” because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.