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    So the people who screamed about the scary, scary BLM protesters rioting due to what they (rightly) viewed as a miscarriage of justice now think rioting should happen because of what they (wrongly) view as a miscarriage of justice.

    As usual, it’s okay with they do it.

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        Literally everything. They’re afriad of Land Back because they fear the Native peoples will take the land the same way the founders of America took it. They’re afraid of equality because they think when Black people do better it must mean they themselves will be worse off because they cant imagine wealth without exploitation, the way they used to make wealth for themselves.

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        They took their stupid shot on Jan 6th and then they realized they were mostly larpers. Projection to the point of action.

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        It’s kind of wild actually. When Trump talks about this case being “fixed,” and the judge as being “corrupt,” he’s telling us exactly what’s going on in his other trial with Trump appointee and person with no prior trial experience (if I recall correctly) before being appointed to her seat on (looks at notes) huh, the “United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida.”

        Wait a second…

    • The thing I think is the most irreconcilable, incompromisable, consistently demonstrated behavior of The Right in America is the blatant hypocrisy about nearly all of their planks. It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.

      • Everyone needs guns to defend themselves from The State, because 2A! (Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong)
      • The government shouldn’t be allowed to tell us how to live! (Except for LGBTQ* people, women’s choices about their own bodies, or homeless people)
      • The Constitution is sacrosanct! (Except for the part about separation of church and state, we just ignore that part)

      It’s the same for their every. Single. Position. It makes me weary, and furious, depressed and pessimistic.

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        Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong

        Don’t forget Philando Castile, a legal gun owner who did exactly what the NRA said you should do when pulled over with a gun in the car and got shot. The NRA made barely a peep about it. Can’t imagine white.

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        I wish I could after on the guns things but I should not own a gun! I have a history of depression and I super don’t want to have easy access.

        That said, put a gun in my hands and I’ll do my part to end fascism. I’m even a fairly decent shot for having only fired a gun 3 different times. Just please take the thing away from me when I rotate out.

        Better yet, get me an fpv headset.

        When I joined the militia I had promised myself to kill one Fascist – after all, if each of us killed one they would soon be extinct… -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

        • I’m not advocating anyone buy a gun, mind you. My general opinion on guns is the same about cars: the only person I truly trust to operate one is me; the rest of all y’all are just generally unreliable.

          That said: get a long gun. Any non-Bulpup rifle with a 20” or longer barrel - it’s really hard to commit suicide with a long rifle. You can find a way, sure, but there are far easier, more reliable ways to off yourself than trying to figure out how to pull a trigger you can’t reach when the bangy end is pointed at your head. And the knowledge that most people who try doing this end up still alive but permanently mangled and with reduced faculties may drive you to seek those alternative methods.

          Another plus for a rifle is that it’s simply a better weapon for killing fascists. We have a lot of evidence that handguns are almost never used in armed conflicts. They’re far less powerful than rifles (in general), and their effective ranges are drastically shorter. Get a cheap optic, do some practice shooting, and you’ll be better armed and prepared than any open-carry idiot running around armed only with their trusty Colt M1911 with official Trump pistol grips.

          I really wish that last part was a joke.

          I don’t mean to come across as minimizing mental health issues. I also can’t prevent you from trying to off yourself. All that said, I hope you are able to get help, and get healthy.

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            Hey thanks, this is an idea that I hadn’t thought much about and I’ll have to consider it. I also need consider storage and how to get to a range without a car but those things are workable.

            As for my mental health, I’m doing well and feel in a good place all around. I got married a year and a half ago and have a stable life. I’m doing good. This will have to be a process if I’m going to buy a rifle but your arguments have opened me to the idea.

            • Glad to hear you’re in a more stable place! I know it’s a constant struggle; rarely do people just “get better” and never gave issues again, but I’m glad that you’re on top of it.

              Open carry is legal almost everywhere in the US. You could literally put a sling on it, strap it on your back, and ride your bike to the range. If you shoot a common caliber, you can buy ammo when you get there (assuming it’s a range in or near a store). You’d need to check your local laws about what you need to do to open carry a gun and ammunition; like, can you have it in a protective case?

              Anyway, good luck with your journey.

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        It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.

        Nationals and Phillies fans seem unfairly targeted…

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          St. Louis Cardinals started selling blue ball caps. Not sure if it’s related to the 2016+ phenomenon, but I like to think it is.

        • Yeah, well, if they’re still wearing that shit during an active civil war - I mean, we’re taking about Phillies fans, so no great loss.

          (Note: I lived on The Mainline for 20 years, so I think I’m allowed some ribbing. Phillies fans not only regularly trash Philadelphia in drunken riots after games, they also came to my new state and totally trashed Minneapolis while they were here. I don’t believe there’s a worse bunch of hooligans in the States.)

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        And if they make that argument, I’ll tell them that means they believe people are “guilty until proven innocent” and don’t deserve a trial by a jury of their peers, which is as unAmerican an idea as you can get.

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          Not going to be useful. They don’t want a democracy, they don’t want a justice system. They want a king and the ability to use state power to shit on other people.

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            Trust me, I am in Indiana. I’m surrounded by these flag-waving morons. You call them unAmerican and they lose their shit. And all I have to do is pull up the Bill of Rights.

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              Either PBS or NPR had a thing a few years back where they’d read sections of the Bill of Right on air, as part of Independence Day celebrations.

              The right wing folks who heard it thought it was communist propaganda.

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              I get all this talk about their rights yet they seem so fundamentally opposed to me having mine.

              These people are terrible citizens.

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                No argument from me. As the person above said, they don’t want a democracy or a justice system. They are as bad a citizen you can get without actively sending classified information to a rival power.

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                  They are all members of the cult, just sadly the majority of them don’t realize they are. This is David Koresh on steroids! He has a platform previous cults did not, and has captured a political party to use for recruitment. It has become apparent that at some point the media and the country need to start treating his cult as such, and we need to figure out how to “rescue” millions of people that would do anything for their cult leader because they have broken all tethers to reality. Putting the cult leader in jail is not going to bring these people back, and is going to require mental health resources on a scale the US (and the world) has never had to deal with before. This is going to have repercussions for generations.

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                They’re downright bad people too. They dont get to do a few good deeds while trying to use political power to do away with human life and human rights without being called the moster they are.

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              I love getting called a liberal pussy by civilian clowns that have never served a day. Pretty sure the government trained me to kill.

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        No, according to DJT, “very innocent”, which is as reassuring as “a little bit pregnant”.

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      Yes. That’s literally the platform. They say whatever they have to to cover their asses because all they really care about it being able to do whatever they want while forcing everyone else to do live by their rules.

      They don’t care when you point this out because that is their goal. They’re shameless about it.

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        Well… that’s true. In this case, the person who got charged actually went through the court system rather than being murdered by a cop.

        Which seems… fairer?

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      You’ve got to remember, they don’t view the BLM reasons as miscarriages of justice. Because they’re morons.

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    Funny how they’re calling for riots instead of going to the streets and rioting.
    I wonder if they remember what happened to them the last time they tried that shit 🤔.

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      Pepperidge farm remembers. The crowd that was all about “back(ing) the blue” managed to kill a police officer and four of themselves.

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        And the rubes who believe them here, do you expect them to exert 30 feet without their phones telling them what to do?

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      There are a lot of armchair generals on the Internet. Unfortunately not limited to the Republican side of things.

      But the Republican ones tend to be bigger hypocrites since they usually condemn rioting when anyone else does it, especially if they aren’t white.

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      ?

      These are likely the same ones that pushed 1/6 and spent a lot of time telling people to do it.

      The reason they’re still doing that, is they weren’t the ones to actually show up.

      They’re not gonna stop doing it, because they didn’t get any consequences from last time.

      All they gotta do is keep making these posts saying someone should do something. And chances are some idiots will do it.

      Like, remember that main old guy from American History X?

      He got naive kids to do the dirty work, so he was able to spend decades doing it without any consequences.

      For real life example, just look at Alex Jones. How long it took for him to even go to court, and how he’s still not in jail or paying any judgements.

      But he’s still running his mouth and telling others to do the work.

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      This was abundantly clear to everyone on January 6th. It was so blatant that, at the time, most conservatives claimed the entire event was actually undercover BLM and “Antifa”.

      Then the convictions showed it truly was all Trump supporters, and now none of them are talking about it.

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    These morons want a king. Can’t even reflect for 5 seconds and think the guilty verdict is because he committed a crime.

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          Yes.

          Crime makes it sound like he did one thing, which might be excusable if there was a mistake or confusion. 34 crimes should make it clear that he is just a criminal who does criminal things.

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            Exactly.

            He’s a serial offender and the crimes he is most recently convicted for were so egregious and extensive they had to be partitioned into 34 charges.

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          I’ll take the downvotes and agree with you. If it had been a single check instead of a dozen it would be like 3 charges instead of 36. The chargeable counts are sort of arbitrary. It was serval falsified records as part of a single coverup.

          Being pedantic is about making this look maximally bad for trunk to try to cost him votes. The onus is not on you to play that game if you don’t want to.

          But also you could’ve just not taken the bait here and saved us both the downvotes.

          Edit: deleted? You fucking coward. Own your opinions. Just because people don’t like what you have to say doesn’t mean you’re wrong. It’s just fucking downvotes! (intended lightheartedly)

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              I upvoted. You can call it a garbage opinion. All I did was agree it was unnecessary pedantic. If you think that’s garbage then fine you’re entitled to that opinion. Fuck you, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

              I might have had some mimosas today.

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      They are absolutely delusional. I went to the cesspool that is /r/conservative, hoping, PRAYING for people to respond like normal human beings on reading news like that.

      Nope.

      None of this.

      Complete delusion, with select quotes:

      “He still has my vote”

      “Liars! Liars on the witness stand. This poor man does not deserve this”

      Americans are a different breed altogether.

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        Nah, they’re Confederates. This is the South trying to rise again, as they always said they would. They cannot be allowed to.

        The South must rise anew.

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            They’re not just in the South anymore either. They probably wouldn’t admit they want a king, even though you’re right. But it’s the same movement regardless. They are the children of the Confederacy, attempting to bring it back.

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    I looked at /r/conservative last night and it was not good for my mental health. Thousands of commenters all agree it was a sham trial that he will win on appeal and that this will only earn him votes.

    The last two things, they may be right about and that’s terrifying.

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      They don’t even realize that that’s not how appeals work. It’s not just “the appellate court says acquittal,” there needs to A) have been a failure in the legal process which B) would have been impactful on the jury’s verdict during the first trial for an appeal to be successful. Appellate courts only address the legal process. An appellate court would only get into addressing the facts of the case if there was an absolutely glaring smoking gun to point to some evidence or testimony having been false.

      You know, like Allen Weisselberg does when he testifies.

      Even if an appellate court was to side with Trump’s appeal, that just means it goes back to the lower court to be tried again, unless the DA goes “yeah, forget it.”

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        This right here. I am not a legal expert, but I do know that this is how it typically works. The point I want to make, though, is that the prosecution likely knew trump would want to appeal, thus tried to make their legal process as air tight and by the book as possible

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      My favorite is the ones crying about how America has fallen into nazism because… Trump got convicted of a crime with overwhelming evidence of it.

      And its especially funny considering how down with nazism they have been until its conversationally convenient to suddenly cry about the evil nazi persecution.

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      At least he can only appeal all the at to the State Supreme Court so the fedsoc six can’t fuck with it.

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        He’ll try to get it to the us supreme court though, probably arguing that because the fraud was on a us election it’s a federal matter.

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          They said mostly. I know a few Trump supporters. They’ll all agree with each other that it was a sham trial, but it wont amount to anything. They peaked with January 6th and even that was pathetic compared to real revolutions from history.

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            If there actually was a real Revolution they’d get wiped out pretty quickly. At some level they actually do know that or at least the brighter ones do.

            They won’t do anything for the same reason that most Russians won’t do anything about Putin. Actually putting your life on the line is a pretty big ask, and most of them wouldn’t dare do it.

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              If there actually was a real Revolution they’d get wiped out pretty quickly.

              Not sure if serious… wipe out by who, exactly?

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                Themselves.

                On more than one occasion in my life, they’ve been told not to drink bleach to cure diseases. Disinfo has a cost, and our (somewhat) stable and (somewhat) educated society is bearing the brunt of it right now. When they can’t get to doctors, or they resort to prayer and holistic medicine for mortal wounds and illness, their herd will start to thin dramatically.

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                Police, armed forces, themselves. Every time far right forces push out an “other” group, they stater othering each other.

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              I think the scenario is flipped between Russians and US Republicans. Russians don’t protest because they don’t know how bad they have it. There were occupying Russians in Ukraine who didn’t know what “automatic” toilets were. They only knew the manual ones where you brought in a bucket of water to pour in to flush the toilet, but because most adults in Russia only know Putin’s Russia, they believe all the propaganda.

              US Republicans don’t know how good they have it because their propaganda is based on the world being a Zero Sum Game and any rights minorities gain means that loose equivalent rights. Legalizing Gay Marriage means their Cis Marriage has less value. But they don’t really think they have it that bad. They wont admit it, but they have too much to loose with a revolution. They may want one, but they aren’t willing to actually put themselves in harms way. Why do you think they all freaked the hell out over Ashli Babbitt being shot dead? None of them actually understand that that’s what a real Revolution entails.

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                  Lose: when you no lpnger have something

                  Loose: when you no longer wear a belt

                  hmm

                  Lose: when you no lpnger have something

                  hmmmm

                  lpnger

                  hmmmmmmmm

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              It was a feeble attempt at an insurrection by a bunch of soft skin, small minded cucks who have daddy issues. None of those people have actually suffered a fraction what they think they have.

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          Who do you think was “on the fence” about Trump but now that he is a convicted felon is now definitely convinced Trump is their guy?.. because this is the only way he gets more votes after the conviction

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            I don’t know. It might convince some elderly or very young idiots that their vote is more important than ever and increase turnout. But I have no idea. I’m just terrified of another term of trump. He would end the United States’ chance of improving any time soon.

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              As opposed to… lol Biden? You do realize we’re at the verge of losing relations that benefit the U.S., right? With Biden and those like Biden running things, the Global South will be the new power house of the world.

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                You’re saying that the potential for the economic development of historically exploited colonies under Biden is a more grave risk than the potential end of democracy in America under Trump?

                Trump did a lot to alienate allies too, way more than Biden has a far as I know. You really are clueless.

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          I dunno it’s reddit, really hard to tell which are real people over there

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      They move the goalpost at every turn.

      I remember when they said he’d win big in 2020. I remember when they said he wouldn’t be indicted. Next it’s some other silly line in the sand. They’re not exactly great prognosticators.

      They call it a sham but I ask, where is the proof? There is, of course, zero.

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      I haven’t been to that sub, but is there any way to estimate how many there are Russian operatives or bots? I’m guessing this conviction will be fertile fodder for encouraging uprisings amongst Trumpies.

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      Yeah, what’s been going on this whole time with Trump is gaslighting. It’s extremely bad for all of our mental health.

      Our nation is sick, and the first bit of medicine we need is some semblance of justice for one of the most renown white collar criminals to ever hit the American spotlight:

      Trump must be published for his crimes. If he is not, then America and the entire world is at risk of destabilizatiom.

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        I would agree with you. It is quite shocking to read conservative opinions on this though. None of them have a fucking clue what he did wrong but they’re all sure it was rigged.

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      He’s not going to win on appeal unless the case gets moved to Canon’s district.

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    At what point do we consider Trump voters as terrorists? Waiting until they actually kill people or destroy everything doesn’t sound like a good idea.

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      Voters? Never.

      Supporters who organize to commit acts of terror like shutting down local libraries via threats of violence? Now. We should be doing that now.

      I didn’t fight shit heads in Iraq just to have more shit heads do it here.

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          That’s a deep question. But I’m in a mood tonight so fuck it. I got there because I was young and well indoctrinated. I stayed there and went back because Saddam and AQ were massive assholes the locals didn’t deserve. I left because my body couldn’t handle the physicality of the job anymore. At no point was I looking at that stuff going, “you know the one thing we don’t have at home is religious zealots planting bombs, we need more of that!”

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          Yeah I know. We knew when they announced Bremer’s orders. Then we got home and found out just how much lying went into starting the war and it became obvious they wanted a forever war. If they had won the election in 2008 they would have found some way to destabilize Iraq again, not knowing ISIS was just around the corner.

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      Didn’t they march inside some important government building and try to overthrow an election at some point?

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        They’ve also interrupted public life with threats of violence related to their religion and politics. They have been past the line for awhile and any vet who dealt with the reality of terror campaigns over seas can recognize this trajectory. If we don’t start enforcing this stuff soon we’re going to have our own version of Al Qaida policing our lives.

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          I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities.

          The police will not protect you, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

          Iran was a secular, liberal monarchy until almost 1980 when they (mostly) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

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            It’s hard for me to recommend that because what most people don’t know is the political violence in Iraq reached levels that would have been a civil war if not for the coalition’s presence. And having watched that level of violence once in my life I’m really hoping we can elect someone that puts the government to work stopping this violent far right theocracy movement. On the other hand I can’t in good faith deny anyone the basic tools I had to defend myself in that situation. I just know that every gun in the mix makes violence more likely and violence only begets more violence. If this kicks off we’ll need a real focus on deprogramming and welcoming people back into the normal population. The zero tolerance approach just doesn’t work, you can’t shoot an idea. Only defend yourself from the person who believes it.

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              Spoken like a person with absolutely no skin in the game. Talking it out is great but what happens when that doesn’t work? What happens when the next one successfully takes power and the congress and judiciary side with them?

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        Don’t forget planned to murder every Democrat, Republican who didn’t do what they wanted, and the Vice President.

        “HANG MIKE PENCE!”

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      I guarantee the crime rate of maga is greater than the undocumented immigrant population. We already know undocumented immigrants commit less crime than native-born Americans as a whole.

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          Nobody tell this guy the population-adjusted crime rate of rural white republican Appalachia…

          Or that violent crime is at a 50 year low under Biden.

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          In my news podcasts, “Crime has reached a fifty year low.”

          (Go outside to my peaceful quiet neighborhood)

          My pro-Trump neighbor, “Crime is out of this world!”

          I sometimes just pause and consider what their life must be like… constant paranoia, fear, worry… all over things that aren’t occurring.

          Your comment is the same.

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      I already consider them to be terrorists. Maybe not all trump supporters. but, there’s definitely a lot that are.

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      Oh no, they are not terrorists. I know because the cops told me they are very fine people.

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      Even if they did do a terrorism and kill people, they’d probably just blame it on trans people and get away with it.

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    Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Francis M. Wilhoit

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        And the world was shocked because he is someone the law protects but does not bind.

        Trump is currently being protected by Supreme Court justices who are literally deciding whether he’s bound by any law. You can bet that same conservative majority would make sure he’s protected by all of them.

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    …thus showing that the “Law and Order” party was never about law, they just want a particular kind of order- that is, a hierarchy wherein people below them on the status-ladder know not to try to hold them accountable to anything, including the law or even plain decency.

    To them, the law is the cudgel to keep the poors and plebes in their place- low in the order- never to be applied to them.

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    They want their perceived enemies to make the first move. They might be calling for violence, but many of them are cowards and also love to play victim and win the sympathy Olympics.

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      Unfortunately for them their worst nightmare just started: the one thing they can’t help but try to come attack, Being Gay In Public Season

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      No, they know that Trump supporters are the types of people to actually listen to and heed these calls.

      This is stochastic terrorism straight up… Or is just flat out terrorism, they’re not really hiding it. This is the spokesperson of a “social media platform” (lol I know I know) saying this, not just some random casual Fox News watching R voter.

      And he knows exactly who he’s talking to. It’s a clear attempt to mobilize.

      Goddamn people must really be this stupid. I guess we just need to experience this pain first hand like Germany before we fully grasp what we are allowing to take hold of our government.

      But even looking at them these days, it seems like 80-100 years is all it takes for everyone to start forgetting…

      Edit: Came back after some thinking and realizing that the communications director for Truth Social probably literally is just some random Fox News watching R. Just not casual I guess.

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      I would not be surprised in the slightest if the right performed a false flag as justification for further violence.

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      Yeah, and I guess the trans people that end up dead in the balance will just be considered sacrifical lambs then?

      It’s ok though, we’ll make sure to use the correct pronouns at their wakes.

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    Can I show up to their riots carrying a George Floyd sign and just feign ignorance about what’s being protested? Over/under on getting shot? (I’m white so factor that into the odds.)

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    Favourite part of the whole article:

    A spokesperson for Truth Social said, “It’s hard to believe that Reuters, once a respected news service, has fallen so low as to publish such a manipulative, false, defamatory and transparently stupid article as this one purely out of political spite.”

    “You never saw what you thought you saw. And even if you did, it was entirely justified and your interpretation was extreme.”